Why not .30-30 semi-auto?
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chemist308
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OMG this thread is from March...
Art Eatman
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It seems to me there will always be a bit of a reliability problem for a semi-auto to feed rimmed cases.
If you go to something like the .30 Rem, there's the problem that for that power level and size of cartridge, the weight of the action will be greater than that of a Model 94.
As far as the AK round and the .30-30, it's not the power level of either that's the problem. They'll do okay on deer out to a hundred yards or so. The problem is the typical rifle with the typical sights: Not very precise. There is also the rather quick degradation in the trajectory for reliable clean-kill hits "out yonder". This last is more of a people problem than a gun problem; too many optimists.
Art
If you go to something like the .30 Rem, there's the problem that for that power level and size of cartridge, the weight of the action will be greater than that of a Model 94.
As far as the AK round and the .30-30, it's not the power level of either that's the problem. They'll do okay on deer out to a hundred yards or so. The problem is the typical rifle with the typical sights: Not very precise. There is also the rather quick degradation in the trajectory for reliable clean-kill hits "out yonder". This last is more of a people problem than a gun problem; too many optimists.
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Shootrj2003
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Sure this dead but I can’t resist,the Russians made very capable mg’s and semis with a rimmed round,and they could be 30/30 powered and maybe work very nicely,A 30/30 drugenov would be an awesome project and what a great deer rifle!
Jim Watson
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The Czech 7.62x45 is a bit closer to .30-30.
All you have to do is find a VZ52 and its ammo.
All you have to do is find a VZ52 and its ammo.
This “problem” was solved in 1913 with the Remington model 14’s spiral tubular magazine. While the OP’s Quixotic quest for a semiauto 30-30 will go on, he and others like him may find they prefer a trombone to a pump handle. The pump action actually assists the shooter in bringing the muzzle down and the sights back on target after firing. The model 141 (the 14’s successor) is a light, fast handling weapon described as “a rifleman’s rifle” by the American Rifleman magazine. It was available in the .25, .30 .32, and .35 Remington cartridges.
The climb is not worth the view when it comes to reloading the .30 Remington. The .35 Remington however is another story. The ballistic similarity of the 30-30 and .35 Remington is attested to in articles as this:
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2018/6/22/head-to-head-30-30-winchester-vs-35-remington/
You’ll have to ignore the author’s reiteration of the tubular magazine red herring as he addresses only lever actions in his piece. Ya know, cuz they’re “cool.”
So did the British. Light and handy though? At least the bipod would keep a hypothetical 30-30 Bren gun out of the snow ⛄️ while you were gutting your deer.
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wachtelhund1
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Winchester model 100 carbine, .308 Winchester caliber. Excellent light weight deer rifle. I've used one for years and taken many deer with it.
On the other hand, in the mid 1980's, I had a Ruger Ranch rifle in 7.62 X 39mm. Fast and handy, Ruger sold it as a modern 30/30. I shot three deer with it, two in GA where there deer are smaller than Wisconsin deer. That caliber was just barely marginal for deer. All three deer required second shot.
Can't remember when a second shot was required with a Win .308.
On the other hand, in the mid 1980's, I had a Ruger Ranch rifle in 7.62 X 39mm. Fast and handy, Ruger sold it as a modern 30/30. I shot three deer with it, two in GA where there deer are smaller than Wisconsin deer. That caliber was just barely marginal for deer. All three deer required second shot.
Can't remember when a second shot was required with a Win .308.
The "why" is because when a thread had been inactive for years (or DECADES) any questions asked have already been answered, or never will be. Many of the people making comments are no longer here. Information, other than actual historical info will be out of date, and likely no longer useful.
We keep the old threads on file for reference, because many do contain valid historical information that remains valid.
When you run into something that interests you in an old thread, the proper thing to do is not bring the zombie back to life, but to start a NEW thread on the subject, where you can reference (link to or quote from) the old thread, and responses will be current and valid.
But, while I'm here, the answer to "why no .30-30 semi-auto" is simply no market demand. The rimmed case makes it slightly more complicated in a semi auto, but that is not huge deal as full auto arms firing rimmed cases have been around since before WWI and semis since WWII as military weapons. .303 British and 7.62x54R being the most common examples.
Why no russian semi action in .30-30? The did 7.62x54R, right? Yes, but if you can do it in 7.62x54R why do it for a less powerful round like the .30-30?
Existing semi autos are readily available in cartridges that surpass the .30-30 in all aspects, so people buy and use them. There is no demand for a semi auto .30-30 from the shooting public and generally speaking manufacturers don't produce products they don't think will sell well.
Feel free to start a new thread on the subject. Someone who wasn't here 16+ years ago might have something new to share...
wachtelhund1
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Didn't notice the thread date, sorry I responded to it.
responding to old threads...
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I have been on literally dozens of forums for dozens of years, and it is the same across the board. There is no correct way. Read below, you will see what I mean....
Someone wants to discuss a topic. They discuss a topic. Forum members and staff will respond one of two ways:
1) Do a search!!! This has already been discussed, AT LENGTH!!! Why are you starting a new thread!?!?!?!? (shame on you)
2) This is a zombie thread!! Everyone thinks you are addressing a current conversation! Why didn't you start a new thread!?!?!?!? (shame on you)
The key here is the threshold for tolerance of how old the thread might be. Is the cutoff: 1 month, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc....???? Depends on who you ask. Just calm down and understand that this debate will live as long as forums do.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I have been on literally dozens of forums for dozens of years, and it is the same across the board. There is no correct way. Read below, you will see what I mean....
Someone wants to discuss a topic. They discuss a topic. Forum members and staff will respond one of two ways:
1) Do a search!!! This has already been discussed, AT LENGTH!!! Why are you starting a new thread!?!?!?!? (shame on you)
2) This is a zombie thread!! Everyone thinks you are addressing a current conversation! Why didn't you start a new thread!?!?!?!? (shame on you)
The key here is the threshold for tolerance of how old the thread might be. Is the cutoff: 1 month, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc....???? Depends on who you ask. Just calm down and understand that this debate will live as long as forums do.
Bill DeShivs
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The Ruger Mini Thirty is a short, light carbine in 7.62 X 39.
This is not entirely correct.
Tulammo offers a 154 grain soft point load in 7.62x39mm (at roughly 50 cents a round) that is very effective on deer size game out to 150-200 yards, and is very popular (specially among the "prepper" community).
But yeah, lets move to a new thread (although I personally have a thing for necro-threads).
Only thirty thirty
I have my brides dad's old Stevens 30 30 bolt taken apart now in my safe, tucked away for a project day.
I like it because Stevens used surplus 30 cal machine guns barrels, it was an inexpensive bolt action.
It will get out and hunt again. It has likely poached more deer than animals shot legally, but they fed the family.
I have my brides dad's old Stevens 30 30 bolt taken apart now in my safe, tucked away for a project day.
I like it because Stevens used surplus 30 cal machine guns barrels, it was an inexpensive bolt action.
It will get out and hunt again. It has likely poached more deer than animals shot legally, but they fed the family.
See, you couldn’t resist either. Tag, you’re it.The "why" is because when a thread had been inactive for years (or DECADES) any questions asked have already been answered, or never will be. Many of the people making comments are no longer here. Information, other than actual historical info will be out of date, and likely no longer useful.
We keep the old threads on file for reference, because many do contain valid historical information that remains valid.
When you run into something that interests you in an old thread, the proper thing to do is not bring the zombie back to life, but to start a NEW thread on the subject, where you can reference (link to or quote from) the old thread, and responses will be current and valid.
But, while I'm here, the answer to "why no .30-30 semi-auto" is simply no market demand. The rimmed case makes it slightly more complicated in a semi auto, but that is not huge deal as full auto arms firing rimmed cases have been around since before WWI and semis since WWII as military weapons. .303 British and 7.62x54R being the most common examples.
Why no russian semi action in .30-30? The did 7.62x54R, right? Yes, but if you can do it in 7.62x54R why do it for a less powerful round like the .30-30?
Existing semi autos are readily available in cartridges that surpass the .30-30 in all aspects, so people buy and use them. There is no demand for a semi auto .30-30 from the shooting public and generally speaking manufacturers don't produce products they don't think will sell well.
Feel free to start a new thread on the subject. Someone who wasn't here 16+ years ago might have something new to share...
Don't know what a "simi-auto" is, but if you mean a semi-auto ****y-****y, dat's wut the 7.62x39 is.
Chamber it in a carbine-size package, and you'll be good to go for clean kills on deer-size game out to 150-yds.
Especially if the carbine is a Ruger Mini-30, ... 'cause 150-yds will be pushing it just to stay within "minute-of-truck tire."
…Chamber it in a carbine-size package, and you'll be good to go for clean kills on deer-size game out to 150-yds…..
The poster below disagrees with you, but since this is a zombie thread and that poster is long-gone you can’t even debate him. Yet another reason to let a zombie thread die and to start a new one instead.
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