I gave Glock a honest chance. I believe I really tried. Bought a M17. Then shortly thereafter a M19. For what ever reason, I could shoot the M19 better. But then I got my hands on a Beretta 92FS. Sold both Glocks at a loss, and don't miss them a bit. I'm not saying Glocks are bad pistols, they just aren't for me.
What I Don't Like About Glock...
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berettaprofessor
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Me; nearly everything. But the worst is that trigger-in-a-trigger. The only gun I've ever ND'ed, luckily pointed downrange, but the recoil had me firing that light trigger again somewhere at the ceiling.
Sorry, Glenn but I wouldn't call it a yawn. I know that the gun is used safely by many careful owners, but there are way too many stories and videos of people shooting their lower parts while holstering the gun with their finger or something catching the trigger (maybe not all Glocks, but mostly the Glock-type triggers) and too many of experienced shooters firing off a round while disassembling the gun.
I could make good money betting that the handgun in any ND is a Glock or another clone with a Glock-style trigger against all other gun models. They're good guns but they punish inattentive handling more than many other handguns.
Hate the trigger and the blocky grip, but I shoot the 19/23 very well, nearly as well as my 1911's that I have over 50 years of experience shooting. For carry purposes where weight would be a factor, like on a 20+ lb. duty belt, the 19/23 would be hard to beat, but as a civilian, I have choices and needs that an LEO cannot entertain....Lower capacity is not a hinderence where I reside, but an LEO must go where trouble is nearly certain.
I prefer a grip that's more like the 1911, or better yet, the Browning Hi-Power. And a trigger that has less of the rubber-band feel of the Glocks, tuned and stock, that I've shot. And I'm not talking about a 2-3 lb. let off either, a 4+ trigger, like the ones on my 1911's and a pair of Hi-Powers with their magazine safeties removed is where my heart lies. The training time to gain proficiency and a level of safety in real-life street use as seen by some LEO's is just not possible given the constraints of city budgets.
For these reasons, Glocks make sense for the average LEO's role in society, and to those who arm and train him. They have no need for the beauty and precision available from other design.
YMMV, Rod
I prefer a grip that's more like the 1911, or better yet, the Browning Hi-Power. And a trigger that has less of the rubber-band feel of the Glocks, tuned and stock, that I've shot. And I'm not talking about a 2-3 lb. let off either, a 4+ trigger, like the ones on my 1911's and a pair of Hi-Powers with their magazine safeties removed is where my heart lies. The training time to gain proficiency and a level of safety in real-life street use as seen by some LEO's is just not possible given the constraints of city budgets.
For these reasons, Glocks make sense for the average LEO's role in society, and to those who arm and train him. They have no need for the beauty and precision available from other design.
YMMV, Rod
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I own only one Glock, but I carry it most days. It's a G26, gen 3. It's not handsome or elegant, but it has ever failed in any way that couldn't be attributed to ammo (and I mean seriously screwed-up ammo in saying that, not making excuses for the pistol) and I shoot it darn near as well as anything I own.
As to the safety: I think I would feel better about it if it had a thumb safety, but I don't feel unsafe in handling it daily. I know that sounds like a dichotomy, but I am attentive and careful in gun handling, and I am not afraid of the Glock. A thumb safety would be nice in case I made a mistake, but it might also be an excuse to let my guard down.
As to the safety: I think I would feel better about it if it had a thumb safety, but I don't feel unsafe in handling it daily. I know that sounds like a dichotomy, but I am attentive and careful in gun handling, and I am not afraid of the Glock. A thumb safety would be nice in case I made a mistake, but it might also be an excuse to let my guard down.
hounddog409
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I am not a fan. Tried with a couple glocks, but I cannot like them.
The trigger and sights are not good.
the last one I purchased had failures out of the box.
That was the final straw. Will never own another glock.
The trigger and sights are not good.
the last one I purchased had failures out of the box.
That was the final straw. Will never own another glock.
Glock 43x or Glock 48..
These threads are interesting...I am fairly new to handguns, only had my CCW for a year..have tried/owned a fair number of models, types, etc. Handguns, among the YUGE number and types out there..are a YUGE YMMV..like bicycles(I am a long term bike industry lizard..owned a shop for 13 years). Ones I really don't care for? Ruger, Sig..sorry, not a fan of either.
Put 3 people in a room and ask about handguns, get 5 or more opinions..
BTW-I am a BIG fan of Glock..they work, everyday. 42, 43, 19, 17..my sons are part of the Glock universe also. All 3 of us carry everyday, always one in the chamber..sorry, well made striker/plastic Glocks don't just 'go off'...
BUT these threads are kinda like discussing hammers..'my gosh, that hammer is a BEAUTY!!'..Not sure why anybody that carries or shoots a HG cares how it looks, but if you do, groovy!!..
BUT, I think how it works is more important..And gotta pick/choose/test ammo types cuz some don't work? Yikes..don't get that either. A modern HG 'ought' to be able to use successfully any proper caliber round..IMHO.
'Failures out of the box'..any single instance of any anything, is anecdotal and may make up somebody's mind for them but...all the Glocks I have owned or tested..maybe 3000-3500 rounds between all of them, I can count on 4/5 of one hand any FTF type stuff..I just got a really dirty -17 and about 1300 rounds of 'remanufacturered' 9mm ball ammo...I have 250(5 boxes) left and have zero failures of any kind..Cleaned it once.
BUT YMMV, subjective, 100%. What works for a gent that carries a full sized, 3 pound 1911 with all sorts of decockers/external safeties..won't 'work' for me.
"Tools not Trophies"
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I didn't like Glocks; I didn't want to like Glocks.
As a teenager I had a Single Six that I shot all the time. When I was in my early 20's I got my first "real" handgun, a medium framed 4" 357. The next was probably my small-framed 2" 38 special. Within a couple of years I added a Beretta 92 and Hi-Power (both clones) and a Makarov. Those were my main handguns for a very long time... something like 20 years.
To me a "real" handgun was made of metal and had a hammer. I kind of preferred revolvers (still do), but the metal military type semiautos were perfectly okay.
I had handled Glocks at gun shows and the LGS, but never cared for the way they felt. Then my FiL picked up a G22 police trade-in for cheap and I shot it whenever he brought it to the range. I shot it well. The sights and trigger worked well for me. It felt a little funny in my hand at first, and the trigger felt a little odd at first, but I got used to them quickly.
When I got the chance to get my own sub-$300 G22 trade-in, I jumped right on it. Since then I've also picked up a G43 and a G26. I still shoot the G22 just fine, though there are many service pistols I shoot just as well, and a few I shoot better. I don't shoot any of my "CC sized" semiautos better than the G43/G26.
I don't dislike Glocks. I am still more of a revolver guy, and there are service pistols I prefer to my G22. But I've gotten used to the way that Glocks feel, mine go bang every time, and I shoot them fairly well. From my more experienced present-day point of view, there's really nothing to dislike.
As a teenager I had a Single Six that I shot all the time. When I was in my early 20's I got my first "real" handgun, a medium framed 4" 357. The next was probably my small-framed 2" 38 special. Within a couple of years I added a Beretta 92 and Hi-Power (both clones) and a Makarov. Those were my main handguns for a very long time... something like 20 years.
To me a "real" handgun was made of metal and had a hammer. I kind of preferred revolvers (still do), but the metal military type semiautos were perfectly okay.
I had handled Glocks at gun shows and the LGS, but never cared for the way they felt. Then my FiL picked up a G22 police trade-in for cheap and I shot it whenever he brought it to the range. I shot it well. The sights and trigger worked well for me. It felt a little funny in my hand at first, and the trigger felt a little odd at first, but I got used to them quickly.
When I got the chance to get my own sub-$300 G22 trade-in, I jumped right on it. Since then I've also picked up a G43 and a G26. I still shoot the G22 just fine, though there are many service pistols I shoot just as well, and a few I shoot better. I don't shoot any of my "CC sized" semiautos better than the G43/G26.
I don't dislike Glocks. I am still more of a revolver guy, and there are service pistols I prefer to my G22. But I've gotten used to the way that Glocks feel, mine go bang every time, and I shoot them fairly well. From my more experienced present-day point of view, there's really nothing to dislike.
dontcatchmany
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I pretty much agree with the OP.
I have a G27 and also have a 9mm and a 357 Sig barrel for it.
I probably have 3,000+ rounds through it in all calibers.
Recently I had several failures and eventually replaced the RSA, Extractor and the Striker Safety Plunger. Has been flawless in all calibers through about 150 rounds since the changes and I am going to put another 100-200 rds through it today.
The reason I have shot it as much as I have is that I am stubborn and am going to learn how to shoot it better, even though other guns are much more accurate and comfortable in my hands.
As the OP said the trigger thingy ain't (my southern expression of emphasis) for me. Hurts my trigger finger for whatever reason and my index knuckle....the grip does not "feel" right.
However, dang it, I like the gun...lol. Why, mainly that it is a challenge in my hands when my Shields and FNH weapons are great for me.
I look at this type of thread to maybe get some "secret" to shooting the G27, some clue, some something. After all, Glocks are one of if not the most liked weapons by others.
I have learned a lot from the G27. I completely took it apart and put it back together a couple of times...and surprisingly did not have any parts left on the bench....lol! Never have taken any of my other weapons completely apart.
Bottom line is that I like the Glock in a way quite different from folks who swear by them. Mine will never be a trusted first option carry and it will reside in one of my vehicles as a backup or secondary back up and be a range toy.
I am determined to like it.
I have a G27 and also have a 9mm and a 357 Sig barrel for it.
I probably have 3,000+ rounds through it in all calibers.
Recently I had several failures and eventually replaced the RSA, Extractor and the Striker Safety Plunger. Has been flawless in all calibers through about 150 rounds since the changes and I am going to put another 100-200 rds through it today.
The reason I have shot it as much as I have is that I am stubborn and am going to learn how to shoot it better, even though other guns are much more accurate and comfortable in my hands.
As the OP said the trigger thingy ain't (my southern expression of emphasis) for me. Hurts my trigger finger for whatever reason and my index knuckle....the grip does not "feel" right.
However, dang it, I like the gun...lol. Why, mainly that it is a challenge in my hands when my Shields and FNH weapons are great for me.
I look at this type of thread to maybe get some "secret" to shooting the G27, some clue, some something. After all, Glocks are one of if not the most liked weapons by others.
I have learned a lot from the G27. I completely took it apart and put it back together a couple of times...and surprisingly did not have any parts left on the bench....lol! Never have taken any of my other weapons completely apart.
Bottom line is that I like the Glock in a way quite different from folks who swear by them. Mine will never be a trusted first option carry and it will reside in one of my vehicles as a backup or secondary back up and be a range toy.
I am determined to like it.
I have a Glock 19 Gen 4.
I have adapted myself pretty much to the mediocre trigger.
I have become somewhat immune to its ugliness, so long as I don't stare at it for too long.
I can't abide the crappy stock sights, but at least those were easy to remove and replace with something decent.
I have even come to terms to some extent with the grip angle and palm swell on the back strap that cause it to not point naturally for me.
I absolutely could not tolerate the finger grooves, but at least the bumps were not that difficult to grind off the front strap.
But what I still have difficulty dealing with is that block, flat-sided grip. I just seem to have difficulty getting my support hand firmly applied to the side of it. I don't know if it is due to the size and shape of my hands and fingers, but it always feels as it there is an air space between my support hand and the grip, no matter how I adjust my grip.
I have adapted myself pretty much to the mediocre trigger.
I have become somewhat immune to its ugliness, so long as I don't stare at it for too long.
I can't abide the crappy stock sights, but at least those were easy to remove and replace with something decent.
I have even come to terms to some extent with the grip angle and palm swell on the back strap that cause it to not point naturally for me.
I absolutely could not tolerate the finger grooves, but at least the bumps were not that difficult to grind off the front strap.
But what I still have difficulty dealing with is that block, flat-sided grip. I just seem to have difficulty getting my support hand firmly applied to the side of it. I don't know if it is due to the size and shape of my hands and fingers, but it always feels as it there is an air space between my support hand and the grip, no matter how I adjust my grip.
I respect everyone's opinions, but I'm continually lost as to why these things are even discussed. One person likes Glock, another likes something else. I shoot a CZ P-07 that I picked up for under $400 new. It fits my hand, I shoot it well, I got it milled for an RMR that I love, and it's never hiccuped over 3000+ rounds. Other people have exactly that experience with a dozen other brands of firearm. There will always be that one Glock, Ruger, CZ, Sig, etc. that has something break and someone will run off and think Brand X sucks.
If it fits your hand, you shoot it well and it runs reliably, a hammer is a hammer. Just about any "Plastic Nine" made today will run almost flawlessly and be entirely boring, which is what you want in a tool made for home and self defense. If pressed to pick a gun I love the most, it would probably be a .22 target pistol because it's fun and you can customize it to look like something out of Star Wars.
Glocks are great. CZ fits my hand better, as does S&W. They all poke holes in things.
If it fits your hand, you shoot it well and it runs reliably, a hammer is a hammer. Just about any "Plastic Nine" made today will run almost flawlessly and be entirely boring, which is what you want in a tool made for home and self defense. If pressed to pick a gun I love the most, it would probably be a .22 target pistol because it's fun and you can customize it to look like something out of Star Wars.
Glocks are great. CZ fits my hand better, as does S&W. They all poke holes in things.
To me, the Glock is the generic handgun like the Toyota Camry is the generic mid-sized car. They are very reliable, available almost everywhere at a fairly reasonable price and uninspiring. The are both ordinary and many people like ordinary because they don't want the risk of disappointment.
FireForged
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There may certainly be some merit to the things you have outlined but in order for [me]to accept the conditions you describe as being merited, I would have to regard the Glock from a hobbiest/enthusiast point of view and I tend to regard weapons as weapons and judge them based on reliability and capabilities. In my personal assessment, Glock does everything pretty darn well and although I may not enjoy the grip angle or its blocky ergonomics, those things are not really all that important [to me ] when considering a gun for what it is.
I do not have an affinity for any weapon, they are tools and they either work well in my hands or they don't. I have trained extensively with Glock and they have always worked very well in a variety of conditions. I consider them good guns.
Considering glock from a purely hobbiest point of view, sure.. I could submit some gripes but that's not really my gig.
I do not have an affinity for any weapon, they are tools and they either work well in my hands or they don't. I have trained extensively with Glock and they have always worked very well in a variety of conditions. I consider them good guns.
Considering glock from a purely hobbiest point of view, sure.. I could submit some gripes but that's not really my gig.
2wheelwander
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^^^ Great post. Nails it for me. Uninspiring, well said.
Glowing testimonials of 3,000, 30,000, or even 300,000 rounds without a failure of any kind are great, but when the gun in my hands malfunctions (and I have had GLocks do that) how reliable someone else's gun has been for them means very little to me.
There are a number of things about the GLock design I don't like. But those are personal matters. What I really detest is the combination of some people's slavish fanboy devotion and Glock corporate attitudes, over the years.
I don't care if you think Glocks are the best thing since sliced bread, canned beer, and friendly girls who smell nice, if your answer to every handgun question is "get a Glock!", you aren't convincing me. Likewise, when their answer to every problem is "its your fault, our product is perfection", that doesn't win points in my book, either.
There are a number of things about the GLock design I don't like. But those are personal matters. What I really detest is the combination of some people's slavish fanboy devotion and Glock corporate attitudes, over the years.
I don't care if you think Glocks are the best thing since sliced bread, canned beer, and friendly girls who smell nice, if your answer to every handgun question is "get a Glock!", you aren't convincing me. Likewise, when their answer to every problem is "its your fault, our product is perfection", that doesn't win points in my book, either.
Glenn E. Meyer
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My first wave Glock 42 was a horror. It jammed dead solid on the first shot. It later jammed all the time and once fired out of battery with smoke and flame coming out of the ejector port.
It had to go back for the mods they made to the first wave. Been OK since.
It had to go back for the mods they made to the first wave. Been OK since.
Boarhunter
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Glocks are decent tools, but they have no souls.
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Glenn E. Meyer
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I closed the other Glock thread when it became content less. That's a hint.
Can’t believe the OP felt it necessary to start this thread about why he dislikes Glocks. It’s ridiculous. Who cares?
I happen to like my Glock 17 and 26 a lot. The G26 is in my belt right now. Neither has ever failed me. The trigger is good enough to allow me to repeatedly hit a 8” steel plate at 50yds offhand with my 26.
I’m 61. I started shooting young, and have owned most brands of the better service autos. I carried various Browning HiPowers for years. It took a long time to get into Glock’s, but once I spent some quality time with the G17, there was no doubt I would get the G26.
There are guns I don’t care for, but I sure don’t see a reason to start a thread like this, nor would I judge anybody else’s choice in pistols...it’s juvenile.
I happen to like my Glock 17 and 26 a lot. The G26 is in my belt right now. Neither has ever failed me. The trigger is good enough to allow me to repeatedly hit a 8” steel plate at 50yds offhand with my 26.
I’m 61. I started shooting young, and have owned most brands of the better service autos. I carried various Browning HiPowers for years. It took a long time to get into Glock’s, but once I spent some quality time with the G17, there was no doubt I would get the G26.
There are guns I don’t care for, but I sure don’t see a reason to start a thread like this, nor would I judge anybody else’s choice in pistols...it’s juvenile.
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