Obtaining an alien firearms license - WA State
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nobody_special
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I don't see the US government handing out guns to everyday US citizens, either.
The word people refers to US citizens, the founding fathers never for-saw all these illegals coming into the country.
If the Washington department of licensing or the U.S. government can't tell the difference between a genuine legal green card and a mexican forgery then there is no hope for anyone here but believe me when I say they CAN !
Only the owners of meat packing factories and apple orchards seem to have problems distinguishing forgeries from the real thing
I am as legal as anyone in the USA and I have had FBI and CIA checks twice and deep investigations into me and my family and personal interviews at the U.S. Embassy in London and medicals and mental health assessments in order to get a genuine legal green card. I have been measured and weighed and fingerprinted and photographed and had blood samples taken. All that is something that most gun owners in Washington State cannot say and I wonder how many of them would pass that degree of scrutiny ?
If the Washington department of licensing or the U.S. government can't tell the difference between a genuine legal green card and a mexican forgery then there is no hope for anyone here but believe me when I say they CAN !
Only the owners of meat packing factories and apple orchards seem to have problems distinguishing forgeries from the real thing
I am as legal as anyone in the USA and I have had FBI and CIA checks twice and deep investigations into me and my family and personal interviews at the U.S. Embassy in London and medicals and mental health assessments in order to get a genuine legal green card. I have been measured and weighed and fingerprinted and photographed and had blood samples taken. All that is something that most gun owners in Washington State cannot say and I wonder how many of them would pass that degree of scrutiny ?
I just want to know where it says in the Bill of Rights that immigrants who have been lawfully admitted to the United States don't have the same rights as US citizens, including but not limited to the right to free speech, the right to a trial by jury, the right against self incrimination, the right to freely exercise their religion, and the right to keep and bear arms.
but the bureaucrats are American Citizens - and they are incompetent ? and they are allowed to have guns ? But Tony Blair can't shoot clay pigeons on a Sunday morning without committing a deportable (after jail) felony
Actually you will find that legal green card owners are more anti-illegals than anyone else. When we see these people just walking in after the hell we were put through to get legal residence then it makes our blood boil.
My buddy has lived in Atlanta for years and was held in detention at the airport because unknown to him, his visa extension letter only allowed him to stay longer as a resident and not to leave and come back. He was carrying the letter and his visa . He was frog marched to a cash machine by two agents to pay a large on the spot cash fine before being allowed to continue to his wife and family and job and house in Atlanta. Now ok that's in the rules but compare that to how real illegals are given driver's licenses etc etc
The U.S. should toughen up on illegals and ease up on people who are here with the approval of the government and who are fully law abiding
It's all the wrong way round
I am sat here complaining about not being allowed to shoot but the bad guys just shrug and are out there buying illegal guns and dont care - they wont post on here even with their stolen computer and they are the problem not me
Actually you will find that legal green card owners are more anti-illegals than anyone else. When we see these people just walking in after the hell we were put through to get legal residence then it makes our blood boil.
My buddy has lived in Atlanta for years and was held in detention at the airport because unknown to him, his visa extension letter only allowed him to stay longer as a resident and not to leave and come back. He was carrying the letter and his visa . He was frog marched to a cash machine by two agents to pay a large on the spot cash fine before being allowed to continue to his wife and family and job and house in Atlanta. Now ok that's in the rules but compare that to how real illegals are given driver's licenses etc etc
The U.S. should toughen up on illegals and ease up on people who are here with the approval of the government and who are fully law abiding
It's all the wrong way round
I am sat here complaining about not being allowed to shoot but the bad guys just shrug and are out there buying illegal guns and dont care - they wont post on here even with their stolen computer and they are the problem not me
nobody_special
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allserene said:
That is the absolute truth. My wife is a legal alien, we're going through the process of obtaining a green card for her... it's a very expensive nightmare.
Oh I don't disagree, all illegal immigrants need to be extracted from this country through any means.
But I just personally believe only US citizens should be able to own fire-arms in the US, once you become an actual US citizen you should be able to own any fire-arm you want, but until then you shouldn't be able to.
But I just personally believe only US citizens should be able to own fire-arms in the US, once you become an actual US citizen you should be able to own any fire-arm you want, but until then you shouldn't be able to.
nobody_special
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LostOne, I don't mean to be impolite or rude here, but your opinion on this doesn't matter. (Neither does mine.) What matters is the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. This has been decided: legal resident aliens do enjoy essentially full protections of the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately (IMO) this is not the case for legal, non-resident aliens (though non-resident aliens have protected rights under the fifth and sixth amendments). Here is an excerpt of the Supreme Court decision for U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez.
nobody_special
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Let me also point this out: Oleg Volk's web site is about a human right. Not an American citizen's right.
Why should a legal alien not have rights? The only argument I see is simply "us vs. them" and that's not exactly good logic.
Lostone
If Mrs Bush goes to London and is invited on a pheasant shoot with queen elizabeth, how would it go down if she were charged with a felony if she accepts ?
Mrs bush seems quite pleasant and harmless enough and I as a British citizen would not be against her shooting on the same terms as everyone else
I wouldn't let GW have a gun but that's nothing to do with his immigration status or nationality
American Citizens are totally equal with British citizens there so why not reciprocate ?
If Mrs Bush goes to London and is invited on a pheasant shoot with queen elizabeth, how would it go down if she were charged with a felony if she accepts ?
Mrs bush seems quite pleasant and harmless enough and I as a British citizen would not be against her shooting on the same terms as everyone else
I wouldn't let GW have a gun but that's nothing to do with his immigration status or nationality
American Citizens are totally equal with British citizens there so why not reciprocate ?
nobody_special
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It is interpreted to mean that permanent resident aliens have protected rights, i.e. the term "the people" includes green-card holders.
Non-permanent residents are not explicitly protected by amendments which apply to "the people," but they are protected by the fifth and sixth amendments, which state "no person..." and "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused...." At present, non-permanent residents have conditional ability to exercise 2nd amendment rights, if they jump through the proper hoops. Yes, simply moving here is not enough, but SCOTUS ruled that citizenship is too high a bar.
The terms "the people" and "person" were held to encompass different scopes. It's screwed up, but there it is.
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lol, England isn't America and laws in England should have no effect on American laws, if it did we would be trying to ban knives.
Americans and foreigners aren't equal, thats just my opinion. Once you go through the proccess of becoming an American you will be, but to simply enter a country and think you are the same is incorrect in my view.
I certainly have allot more respect for legal Aliens though.
Also, try going to a European country wearing a T-Shirt with the US flag, you certainly won't be treated equal.
Americans and foreigners aren't equal, thats just my opinion. Once you go through the proccess of becoming an American you will be, but to simply enter a country and think you are the same is incorrect in my view.
I certainly have allot more respect for legal Aliens though.
Also, try going to a European country wearing a T-Shirt with the US flag, you certainly won't be treated equal.
the Uk allows all guns except machine guns and hand guns but the police will question your neighbours about you before you get a license to make sure you are not a nut or a drunk or a crack fiend.You will be required to have hardwood inner doors in your house and a burglar alarm link to the police station and an approved steel gun cabinet bolted into the structure of the house
The only Americans who would accept that are the parents of those killed by such people
I have been a member of a rifle cub and I have owned a semi automatic pistol
and a rifle and a 12 bore shotgun and used a .303 Lee Enfield in the Police force - but my response to someone shooting at my fishing float would not be to blow their head off - call it a cultural difference but it makes me a better bet as a safe gun owner
perhaps after a few years in the U.S. I will start to think like that - but will it be an improvement and a civilizing advance for mankind ?
Will I be a better person ?
The only Americans who would accept that are the parents of those killed by such people
I have been a member of a rifle cub and I have owned a semi automatic pistol
and a rifle and a 12 bore shotgun and used a .303 Lee Enfield in the Police force - but my response to someone shooting at my fishing float would not be to blow their head off - call it a cultural difference but it makes me a better bet as a safe gun owner
perhaps after a few years in the U.S. I will start to think like that - but will it be an improvement and a civilizing advance for mankind ?
Will I be a better person ?
cubanitojr
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Alien Firearm Lincense maybe possible now
Hello all,
I am a Green Card Holder residing in Redmond, WA.
Finally good news for all legal law abiding permanent resident aliens.
Bill HB 2955 became effective on June 12, 2008. This bill authorizes the WA DOL direct access to federal criminal backgrounds records. In a nutshell this law certifies the WA DOL as a "Criminal Justice Agency".
Today, I emailed the WA DOL all this info. I also asked when can I apply for my AFL.
Here is a link to the Bill.
http://dlr.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/default.aspx?Bill=2955&year=2007
WA Stat Rep. Ross Hunter emailed me this.
I was the prime sponsor of a bill this year that fixes this problem. I
> cannot remember the bill number, but it cleared up up the problems where
> one agency could not communicate with another agency regarding
> background checks. Solving the alien firearm issue was not the main
> intent of the bill, but is a reasonable side-effect.
>
> I would expect that the problems around this get resolved over the next
> month or so as all the new bills start to take effect.
>
> Thanks for your note.
>
>
> Representative Ross Hunter
> Finance Committee Chairman
>
> 333 John L. O'Brien Building
> Capitol Campus
> Olympia, WA 98504
> (360) 786-7936 Olympia Office
> (425) 453-3064 District Office
Wish me good luck.
PS. Feel free to check the PDF attachments of the Bill HB 2955.
Hello all,
I am a Green Card Holder residing in Redmond, WA.
Finally good news for all legal law abiding permanent resident aliens.
Bill HB 2955 became effective on June 12, 2008. This bill authorizes the WA DOL direct access to federal criminal backgrounds records. In a nutshell this law certifies the WA DOL as a "Criminal Justice Agency".
Today, I emailed the WA DOL all this info. I also asked when can I apply for my AFL.
Here is a link to the Bill.
http://dlr.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/default.aspx?Bill=2955&year=2007
WA Stat Rep. Ross Hunter emailed me this.
I was the prime sponsor of a bill this year that fixes this problem. I
> cannot remember the bill number, but it cleared up up the problems where
> one agency could not communicate with another agency regarding
> background checks. Solving the alien firearm issue was not the main
> intent of the bill, but is a reasonable side-effect.
>
> I would expect that the problems around this get resolved over the next
> month or so as all the new bills start to take effect.
>
> Thanks for your note.
>
>
> Representative Ross Hunter
> Finance Committee Chairman
>
> 333 John L. O'Brien Building
> Capitol Campus
> Olympia, WA 98504
> (360) 786-7936 Olympia Office
> (425) 453-3064 District Office
Wish me good luck.
PS. Feel free to check the PDF attachments of the Bill HB 2955.