Carrying "less" in a "good" area. Nope, no thanks.

[CDW4ME]

Your sentiment also usually translates to those who actually hunt versus those who don't

Ive found that those who push caliber/capacity are usually very insecure in their abilities

Irrelevant to this thread, but I've bowkilled a couple dozen deer, several turkeys and one deer with a Delta Elite 10mm, not counting deer past 20 yards shot with rifle or muzzleloader.

This thread is not about capacity or caliber, its about consistency (logic).

If one is content to bet their life on a snub or Glock 43 in SmallTownWherever, then they should be equally content with it in Nashville, Atlanta, Jacksonville, (examples) day or night.

I know: CDW4ME "You're wrong, the anticipated threat is not the same, whatever, whatever," ... I know.

God forbid I start a thread that encourages carrying what one would prefer in hand anywhere, everywhere. Oh well, I tried.

 

[CDW4ME]

As far as carrying, a Glock 22 is as easy to conceal as a 1911, for me.
Glock 22 with Ed Brown Special Forces (which I've carried a lot)

Glock 23 (19) is even smaller:

 

[Double K]

I have both a 19 and a commander size 1911, the 1911 doesn't print under a T-shirt like a glock does. It's the width of the slide that makes a glock show under thin clothing.

 

[CDW4ME]

I have both a 19 and a commander size 1911, the 1911 doesn't print under a T-shirt like a glock does. It's the width of the slide that makes a glock show under thin clothing.

I've got lightweight Commanders in 9mm and 45 acp in addition to full size steel 1911's in 45 acp and 10mm.

If carrying AIWB the shorter slide of the Commander is advantageous; strong side IWB the longer slide of full size pistol is not a detriment for me.

I typically wear shirts that are loose fit with a stripe, print, or pattern to break any slight bulge. I agree with you, under a solid color polo 1911 be slightly less likely to print than Glock 22.

I like 1911's and have gone from carrying Glocks to 1911's back to Glocks back to 1911's a few times.
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If I said I carried a 1911 everywhere I'd be labeled differently by some in this thread.

Here is that system, its not my perception / point of view:
"I carry a 1911 + two spare mags everywhere, two spare mags helps balance the weight on belt, I like the safety and steel". = Luddite, boomer
"I carry a Glock 19 + spare mag everywhere, spare mag mostly in case of malfunction, I like the trigger, grip, capacity". = Lack of experience/wisdom
"I carry a Glock 43 everywhere, 7 rounds is more than enough". = Truth, wisdom, acceptable. LOL

 

[peacefulgary]

It seems like I struck a nerve with some folks here. LOL!

As I said before...carry as much weight and bulk as you like.

 

[CDW4ME]

 

[Henry400]

Why stop at a Glock 19?
Why not a Glock 17?
You get increased mag capacity for a modestly larger pistol.

Precisely why I have carried a Glock 45. Round capacity of the 17, slide and barrel of the 19.

 

[Henry400]

I have both a 19 and a commander size 1911, the 1911 doesn't print under a T-shirt like a glock does. It's the width of the slide that makes a glock show under thin clothing.

I carry OWB in a pancake holster. For ME, I've found that carrying either the Glock 45 or a commander size 1911 in a holster with a 30 degree cant aids GREATLY in concealabiliby. I have no issues concealing the Glock.

However, like CDW4ME, I'm retired and can wear what I want, when I want.

 

[Henry400]

My carry philosophy is:
Of the concealable pistols I own, carry one I would prefer in hand if I had to defend myself.
There is nowhere I would prefer to defend my life a 38 snub/LCP rather than a Glock 19/23 and I carry accordingly.

Caveat: I'm not limited by work attire, retired.

I am in general agreement with your principle. I carry the gun I would prefer to have in hand if I have to defend myself. I am also retired, and for the most part, am not limited by dress as to what I carry. In some circumstances, (church) I dress around my carry, but don't typically choose what I carry around what I wear.

My choice is a Commander - sized 1911 (Dan Wesson Vigil Commander) in .45 acp (8 round magazines) and 2 spares. If I need to go into the city, I might be inclined to pocket carry a P365 as a BUG (weak hand side) in addition to the 1911. But I'll not go with less gun than the Vigil.

Why I choose the Vigil over my G45 is a story for a different day.

 

[CDW4ME]

My choice is a Commander - sized 1911 (Dan Wesson Vigil Commander) in .45 acp (8 round magazines) and 2 spares. If I need to go into the city, I might be inclined to pocket carry a P365 as a BUG (weak hand side) in addition to the 1911. But I'll not go with less gun than the Vigil.

Very similar.
When I carried a 1911 I had two spare mags on opposite side to help balance weight. I like 1911's and could go back to carrying one in the future.

Walking the dog(s) I'm likely not going to carry a 2nd option pistol in weak hand front pocket; Glock IWB as usual for sure.

Trip to the store, parking lots, 2nd option in weak hand pocket? Yea.

A few years ago, I was in a parking lot and saw a "shady" looking guy walking directly toward me as I loaded groceries in my vehicle. I assume I'm about to be asked for money (whatever) and start shaking my head "no" despite me shaking my head "no" he keeps coming. I say loudly "NO, NO" while shaking my head. Guy turns and walks off to a van parked a few lanes over that has other people waiting in it. In a situation like that, I can't put my hand on the pistol I've got IWB which puts me at a disadvantage if someone asking (for money) ever turned into demanding. I'd did not have a 2nd option pistol in pocket that day; but, the option to put my hand on a pistol without revealing I'm carrying endeared its self to me.

Kahr PM9 in my weak hand front pocket affords me the option of putting my hand on pistol without revealing I'm carrying; nice option to have if approached by someone "shady" in a parking lot, at a gas pump ect...

 

[FireForged]

Its not really psychic abilities which suggest that some particular places or a particular time of day or night might be more dangerous than others.. its just plain ole common sense. The reason why stats and particularly crime stats are memorialized and studied is so that risk assessments can be made and adequate mitigating resources assigned.

Sure, crime can occur anywhere and it fairly naïve to suggest that crime cannot or will not occur in any particular place. That said, if you sent me down to the river at 10:30 at night, I aint going without a gun and 2 armed friends. There are simply dangerous conditions which exist historically (at the river) that do not readily exist at the deli next to the golf-pro shop. So lets stop pretending that a competent person cannot reasonably predict where [greater] or [lesser] danger is likely to exist in his or her environment. Lets not pretend that added precautions are not prudent when relative risk is considered to be heightened. It is a mindset which is routinely applied to a great many things in life and for good reason. Life experience is a powerful thing if we simply listen to it. Sometimes listening is much better than pointing fingers, making quips or scoffing.

Lets face it.. risk has levels.

If you are changing your gun out 3 times a day due to an ever changing defcon level then yeah, I think there is probably some overthinking going on. That is not what is being said in this thread as far as I can tell.

 

[peacefulgary]

I assume I'm about to be asked for money (whatever) and start shaking my head "no" despite me shaking my head "no" he keeps coming. I say loudly "NO, NO" while shaking my head. Guy turns and walks off to a van parked a few lanes over that has other people waiting in it. In a situation like that, I can't put my hand on the pistol I've got IWB which puts me at a disadvantage if someone asking (for money) ever turned into demanding.

I don't know what state you live in, but why couldn't you have put your hand on the grip of your holstered weapon?
If some shady dude is walking my way, I'll reach under my cover garment and grip my handgun, but keeping it holstered as to not "brandish".

I'd did not have a 2nd option pistol in pocket that day; but, the option to put my hand on a pistol without revealing I'm carrying endeared its self to me.

If a shady guy is headed my way, I actually WANT him to know that I'm carrying.
Most criminals are cowards. They prey upon the weak and the unarmed.
If they know or even suspect that you are armed they most likely will seek out easier prey.

 

[TunnelRat]

Carrying "less" in a "good" area. Nope, no thanks.

I don't know what state you live in, but why couldn't you have put your hand on the grip of your holstered weapon?
If some shady dude is walking my way, I'll reach under my cover garment and grip my handgun, but keeping it holstered as to not "brandish".


If a shady guy is headed my way, I actually WANT him to know that I'm carrying.
Most criminals are cowards. They prey upon the weak and the unarmed.
If they know or even suspect that you are armed they most likely will seek out easier prey.

In my world there are shady people. I’m not putting my hand on my concealed firearm every time one happens to walk in my direction.

I’ll add that a quick Google search showed that in a number of localities you don’t need to actually draw a firearm to be charged with brandishing. Just gripping the pistol can count as brandishing.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/general-terms/brandishing/

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[peacefulgary]

Charged and convicted are two entirely different things.
Anyone can be charged with any crime.

Show me an instance where a shady dude approached someone, and that someone simply placed his hand under his shirt (and on the grip of his handgun, which is still not visible as it's still under the shirt) and says "no", and then that shady guy calls the cops and makes a complaint of brandishing, and the guy with the handgun gets arrested and charged AND convicted of "brandishing".

No way, no how.

 

[TunnelRat]

Carrying "less" in a "good" area. Nope, no thanks.

Charged and convicted are two entirely different things.
Anyone can be charged with any crime.

Show me an instance where a shady dude approached someone, and that someone simply placed his hand under his shirt (and on the grip of his handgun, which is still not visible as it's still under the shirt) and says "no", and then that shady guy calls the cops and makes a complaint of brandishing, and the guy with the handgun gets arrested and charged AND convicted of "brandishing".

No way, no how.

So you’re willing to be charged with a crime and deal with any potential fallout, why? Because a “shady dude” walked in your direction? You don’t think that might have any impact on your concealed carry permit (assuming the state you live in requires such a permit)? And what happens if you are the exception that disproves the rule and your assumption that you won’t get charged falls through? Now you have the costs in time and money of going to court and dealing with a charge.

I’m sorry, but a person who feels the need to reach for a gun just because a person walks in their direction is more concerning to me than the shady dude in the first place.


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[peacefulgary]

So you’re willing to be charged with a crime and deal with any potential fallout, why? Because a “shady dude” walked in your direction?

No, not me.
My reply was to what CDW4ME posted...

I'd did not have a 2nd option pistol in pocket that day; but, the option to put my hand on a pistol without revealing I'm carrying endeared its self to me.

He clearly felt wary enough to wish be had a pistol in his pocket to have his hand upon.
But he apparantly didn't feel that he could place his hand on his concealed pistol inside his waistband.

You don’t think that might have any impact on your concealed carry permit (assuming the state you live in requires such a permit)?

Not at all.
Reaching under your shirt is not illegal.
You could be reaching for a pocket knife to cut a cigar, you could be reaching for your car keys, you could be reaching for your cellphone, you could be adjusting your belt...
Again, reaching under your shirt is NOT AGAINST THE LAW.

And what happens if you are the exception that disproves the rule and your assumption that you won’t get charged falls through?

First of all, the correct term is "the exception that PROVES the rule", meaning that for every rule there is an exception...which isn't even true btw.
For example...All humans eventually die
There are no exceptions that "prove the rule".

Now you have the costs in time and money of going to court and dealing with a charge.

Again, anyone can be charged with anything in the U.S.A..
And yes, it's going to cost you to legally defend yourself.
But if CDW4ME really did feel threatened enough to wish he had his hand on a pistol in his pocket, then I'm not going to second guess him.

I’m sorry, but a person who feels the need to reach for a gun just because a person walks in their direction is more concerning to me than the shady dude in the first place.

So you're saying that you're concerned about our forum member CDW4ME?

 

[TunnelRat]

Carrying "less" in a "good" area. Nope, no thanks.

No, not me.
My reply was to what CDW4ME posted...


He clearly felt wary enough to wish be had a pistol in his pocket to have his hand upon.
But he apparantly didn't feel that he could place his hand on his concealed pistol inside his waistband.


Not at all.
Reaching under your shirt is not illegal.
You could be reaching for a pocket knife to cut a cigar, you could be reaching for your car keys, you could be reaching for your cellphone, you could be adjusting your belt...
Again, reaching under your shirt is NOT AGAINST THE LAW.


First of all, the correct term is "the exception that PROVES the rule", meaning that for every rule there is an exception...which isn't even true btw.
For example...All humans eventually die
There are no exceptions that "prove the rule".


Again, anyone can be charged with anything in the U.S.A..
And yes, it's going to cost you to legally defend yourself.
But if CDW4ME really did feel threatened enough to wish he had his hand on a pistol in his pocket, then I'm not going to second guess him.


So you're saying that you're concerned about our forum member CDW4ME?

Brandishing is a crime. As I pointed out above, brandishing does not have to involve drawing a firearm. You specifically said putting your hand on the grip of a firearm. That is mentioned in a number of articles as a form of brandishing in some localities. If you want to play games in court where you argue that you weren’t in fact reaching for your firearm when you happened to reach under your shirt, more power to you.

I know what the general expression is, I modified it for my purposes. Thank you though.

I am concerned about anyone that feels the need to reach for a firearm because of a strange person moving in their general area. It’s a mentality that has come up in a number of threads in this sub forum and my thoughts haven’t changed. Note that this is not me saying being alert or situational awareness are bad. This is me talking about the physical act of putting a hand on a loaded firearm.

There is a lot that goes into threat assessment. Outward visual appearance is just one part. What is the person’s demeanor, are their hands visible, these are other parts (and people will have others or different interpretations of what I’ve stated). There are a lot of shady people in the world. Reaching for a firearm because you can see one moving in your direction isn’t a sustainable solution in my mind and can lead to threat escalation that might not have happened otherwise.


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[peacefulgary]

This is me talking about the physical act of putting a hand on a loaded firearm.

How close do you let strangers get to you before you put your hand on your concealed handgun (and I'm assuming that you do carry concealed or open carry fairly often), five feet? Three feet? One foot? Six inches?

 

[TunnelRat]

Strangers are around me all the time. I go to stores, I go to restaurants, I put gas in my car. I don’t put my hand on my gun just because a stranger passes near me. Are people usually within a foot of me? No, and if they are I move or I ask them politely to move. This doesn’t involve me touching my gun.


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[peacefulgary]

This doesn’t involve me touching my gun

Even if you felt they were a threat and they were within arm's reach?