zincwarrior
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1/5 inch difference between it and an M&Pc which has the same dimensions but two extra rounds and a lower bore axis.
Its fine. Its a pistol, but I can find multiple pistols with more capacity with the same dimensions.
Why have more manufacturers not released a Sig P365 style pistol?
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Its fine. Its a pistol, but I can find multiple pistols with more capacity with the same dimensions.
Not only that but the M&Pc takes standard M&P magazines so a reload can jump you straight up to 17 rounds. I find the M&Pc (original) superior to the 365 in most ways.
The 365 is a good gun though.
youngridge
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I have a 43 and a 365, 4 extra rounds in the standard mag vs the 43 and in a smaller package was appealing, with factory night sights.
I like them both but prefer the 365 over the 43 now.
LGS said when they came out with the 365 with the MS that they flew off the shelves faster than when the pistol was first introduced. They tapped into a market that will unfortunately probably only grow with states that make capacity and manual safety laws.
Edit to add: I expect more than one company to introduce new staggered stack pistols this winter, from Christmas to shot show. Competition is good and it drives ingenuity.
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I like them both but prefer the 365 over the 43 now.
LGS said when they came out with the 365 with the MS that they flew off the shelves faster than when the pistol was first introduced. They tapped into a market that will unfortunately probably only grow with states that make capacity and manual safety laws.
Edit to add: I expect more than one company to introduce new staggered stack pistols this winter, from Christmas to shot show. Competition is good and it drives ingenuity.
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wild cat mccane
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They are coming.
Every manufacturer has a "pocket" 9mm with the only exception being HK? Most geared those up in the last 5 years.
But another way, besides price, you're giving up a lot to buy a Shield today when the Sig P365 holds more, is smaller, better sights, better trigger AND better resale.
I bet used single stack small 9mm are a buyers market since the P365...but why buy?
Every manufacturer has a "pocket" 9mm with the only exception being HK? Most geared those up in the last 5 years.
But another way, besides price, you're giving up a lot to buy a Shield today when the Sig P365 holds more, is smaller, better sights, better trigger AND better resale.
I bet used single stack small 9mm are a buyers market since the P365...but why buy?
You can buy a Shield these days for under $200. A Sig will run you almost double. Smaller isn't always "better" either.
Better sights and trigger are a real thing but how much does that really matter at 0-21'? The ranges these guns are designed to be used at. The Shield is so popular because it is "good enough" and very affordable. Not because it is the very best.
I think a better comparison is the Sig 365 and Glock 26..IMHO, of course.
I prefer it to my G43..I like the width of the G26..very similar to my G17.
AgedWarrior
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Lots of folks, and most folks I know, are not satisfied with “good enough” for their personal protection.
wild cat mccane
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Meh.
I won't be buying any small single stacks now. Speculating, it's going to be the worst time.
Inventories of Shields, PPS, etc are high.
New double stack wonders will start coming out...
I won't be buying any small single stacks now. Speculating, it's going to be the worst time.
Inventories of Shields, PPS, etc are high.
New double stack wonders will start coming out...
Just because something is "good enough" doesn't mean it is lacking. Besides the added capacity I don't find one notably superior, and that's from owning both.
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HistoryJunky
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Maybe I'm alone here but I find the concept of a 10+1 9mm pistol that is similar in size to a 6+1 single stack to be very appealing. A lot of people, myself included are not big fans of the feel of the double stack subcompacts out there.
And they are not as concealable as a gun like the 365.
IMO if you can have Gun X and Gun Y, Gun Y is lighter than Gun X, has the same capacity, and is still reasonably shootable, why wouldnt you want Gun Y?
And they are not as concealable as a gun like the 365.
IMO if you can have Gun X and Gun Y, Gun Y is lighter than Gun X, has the same capacity, and is still reasonably shootable, why wouldnt you want Gun Y?
If it's so appealing why haven't you even shot one yet?
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zincwarrior
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Because I can get Gun Z which has more capacity, accepts full size mags, and is only one fifth of an inch wider.
TruthTellers
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Single stacks are generally smaller with the Ruger being the slimmest 9mm I know of at .9 inches width. Not only that, but there are extended mag options to up the capacity to 9 rounds for the Ruger and ETS makes 9 and 12 round mags for the Glock 43 and Mossberg.
Price is the biggest factor tho. Single stack 9's are roughly $300 or less, the Ruger is $200. When the economy is struggling and people are struggling to pay the necessities, telling them that self defense requires spending $500 on a 365 or a Glock 43x isn't going to fly when the only benefit is 3 more rounds.
That said, I can see the appeal of these 1.5x stack pistols in mag capacity ban states in the Northeast and California.
wild cat mccane
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Slimmest and smallest 9mm is the DB9. It's also garbage. Owned 5 of them.
With the exception of the PF-9 copy LC9, the P365 is smaller than most single stack 9mms.
My P365 is the exact same size as a CM9.
With the exception of the PF-9 copy LC9, the P365 is smaller than most single stack 9mms.
My P365 is the exact same size as a CM9.