The hammer has fallen...

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dipper

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LOL Playboy, you're mind is made up!!
I'll save these posts and we'll talk about it later when this goes to trial.
WHEN I'm saying WHEN the judge allows the experts, and he will---you can tell him were he is wrong.
I'm sure he'll be very interested in what you have to say!!

I am just surprised that an Attorney of the experience and stature of the one bringing this case does not know what you know.
You should email him and tell him he is wasting his time and this is pretty much an open and shut case.
That the judge will just run his finger over a seal and look at a signature and send everyone home.


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dipper

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Just one more thing Playboy.
Are you aware that cases have been solved by a blank piece of paper---not old or antique--- with no writing or seals or anything??
Do you know that they have traced a piece of typing paper to a specific store, warehouse, factory, shift, machine, etc. etc.??

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Playboypenguin

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Are you aware that cases have been solved by a blank piece of paper---not old or antique--- with no writing or seals or anything??
Do you know that they have traced a piece of typing paper to a specific store, warehouse, factory, shift, machine, etc. etc.??
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Yeah, it is called CSI Miami. :)
 
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HKuser

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It's fake, put up or shut up. Obama must prove it is genuine. Since that's your usual standard of proof, I'm sure you'll agree.
 
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HKuser

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Really, explain why it is a fake...even though multiple sources that have seen it in person confirm it is real.
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They same reason that Palin's baby delivery was fake even though multiple sources that have seen it in person confirm it was real. Why should the standard for one be different than the standard for the other just because one has a D next to his name. I'm pretty tired of the double standard you exact.
 
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Playboypenguin

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They same reason that Palin's baby delivery was fake even though multiple sources that have seen it in person confirm it was real. Why should the standard for one be different than the standard for the other just because one has a D next to his name. I'm pretty tired of the double standard you exact.
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So in other words you have nothing to add besides illogical comparisons. Surprise, surprise.
 
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guntotin_fool

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Playboypenguin:


First off, there are ways to look at the REAL birth certificate, It requires a Judge to sign off on it, and usually a few business days for the city that issued it to call general records and get the real original out of storage.

If the original is on Microfiche, then it will be there in order with all the others in the order in which it was filmed, This is part of the verification process. Actually there are people who specialize in this sort of thing, they work a lot of hours tracing down people who either steal ID's or use them for false pretenses. The US Treasury has a very large department whose only job it is, is to track down who people are....

Real birth certificates are never held by the person but instead are held within the system of the issuing authority. You might have seen a certified or notarized copy, but that only means you have seen a copy someone who has passed a summary back ground check by a police dept has said it matches what is on file.

The only way a Birth cert is out of order on a microfiche system is if it has been pulled and corrected due to an error, If that happens Usually the Microfiche is altered to reflect that.

Most states also store the original application for a birth certificate and keep that as a back up, as this often has the foot print of the baby. It can also have more identifying comments on the baby such as birth marks, mising or malformed digits.

I have had to have backgrounds done on two employees, both times I hired reputable Private Investigative firms who were hired to find out if the person was who they were saying they were, as well as any other things employers might want to know before hiring someone. In one case the investigation firm was able to prove that one using false documents and he was not who he said he was.
 
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Playboypenguin

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If the original is on Microfiche, then it will be there in order with all the others in the order in which it was filmed, This is part of the verification process. Actually there are people who specialize in this sort of thing, they work a lot of hours tracing down people who either steal ID's or use them for false pretenses. The US Treasury has a very large department whose only job it is, is to track down who people are....
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You are mistaking identity specialists, we utilized them in the military, with people who specialize in confirming validity of birth certificates. The original birth certificate is not removed from records. only a certified copy is issued. That is what Obama has. The way that copy will be verified is if it is the proper document, has the proper seal, and has the proper stamp and signature. nothing will be done beyond that. I have never, ever seen a case where an original birth certificate was obtained. Feel free to provide an example to the contrary.
 
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publius42

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This thread started on 8/21/08
A lawsuit has been filed in a Pennsylvania Federal court by a Hillary supporter demanding Obama's campaign cease from continuing because he is not eligible to run
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And only yesterday word finally reached Obama that an official response will be required?

It will be pretty funny if they finally get Hawaii to issue a certified copy and it shows Obama is eligible to be President. Hah hah. I think the joke has gone on long enough to be funny, and is getting less funny by the day.

What if it shows he is not eligible?:eek:
 
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madmag

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It will be pretty funny if they finally get Hawaii to issue a certified copy and it shows Obama is eligible to be President. Hah hah. I think the joke has gone on long enough to be funny, and is getting less funny by the day.
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That seems to be the case. I have said before maybe the Obama camp likes the idea of holding off final proof so they can make people look foolish...possible I think. But this cannot go on forever. Records will finally be opened and probably show that the certificate they have been showing is really with correct information.

Initially I did think this whole thing was bogus. The only thing that has given it life is that Obama has refused to provide, or allow records in Hawaii to be opened. I has occurred to me that maybe there is nothing to show he is not a citizen, but maybe there is additional information in the long form (full birth certificate) that they do not want made public.
 
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madmag

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BTW, when I signed up for SS I presented my original birth certificate. It had been folded and blurred some of the printing. I had to travel to the county Court house where my original records were kept. I paid to have a certified copy sent (by the court house, not from me) to the woman at SS doing my case. I also had an extra copy made for myself.

On the day I went to apply I also had my military records & passport. But that did me no good. Still had to go the the original vital records for proof.
 
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brickeyee

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BTW, when I signed up for SS I presented my original birth certificate. It had been folded and blurred some of the printing. I had to travel to the county Court house where my original records were kept. I paid to have a certified copy sent (by the court house, not from me) to the woman at SS doing my case. I also had an extra copy made for myself.
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So in fact, you HAVE NOT "presented my original birth certificate" but a copy of the original held by the county courthouse.

While you may have a copy filled out at the same time as the original, it has no legal standing unless it has been certified (raised seal and all).
 
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Playboypenguin

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So in fact, you HAVE NOT "presented my original birth certificate" but a copy of the original held by the county courthouse.
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A lot of people make the mistake of thinking the one they have is the original because it has the raised seal. That is still just a certified copy (which is what Obama has in his possession). The seal is the certification. The original is kept in state records from the day it is created. :)
 
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madmag

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So in fact, you HAVE NOT "presented my original birth certificate" but a copy of the original held by the county courthouse.
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Nope, the original. This is 1940 folks. My mother was given the original. The court house did not keep an actual birth certificate, only the records needed to generate a certificate. I am sure things are different in these modern times with electric lights and all.:D

(Minor correction. Not really a court house, but a small building that houses vital statistics for that county.)
 
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madmag

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Obama has been served but his campaign is not going to acknowledge the lawsuit until the mainstream media acknowledges the lawsuit.
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OK, I know I am not expert on these issues, but I am going to assume that the federal judge could care less if the mainstream media acknowledges or not. Of course the Obama camp knows about the law suit, but I guess they just like playing games.

Now, I don't want to believe in little green men from Mars & such, but I still don't understand that after being served why Obama just does not ask for the hospital records to be opened and be done with this whole thing. Oh well, lots of things I don't understand in life.
 
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huchahuchax

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Now, I don't want to believe in little green men from Mars & such, but I still don't understand that after being served why Obama just does not ask for the hospital records to be opened and be done with this whole thing.
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I would have started on this before being served and knocked this out while the entire country was going ga-ga for Sarah Palin. That is probably a dumb idea and the reason I am not a campaign manager.
 
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