Taser in Action.... this is GREAT

DT Guy

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Para,

Volunteer for a Taser ride. Pretty d##@$d effective, IF you get the barbs in. Problem is, the effect is gone IMMEDIATELY, literally IMMEDIATELY, when the shock stops. The B/G can get up and chase you until you run out of battery, assuming pain doesn't convince him to stop-and as we've seen, it doesn't always do so.

Somebody's going to come out with a Taser that will let you pepperfoam the B/G while shocking him, and they're going to make a mint....


Larry
 

Danindetroit

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This post being in Tactics and training, and labeled taser in action...this is great, was what made me critical of the officer's tactic's. I have never arrested a drunk, I have been in some scuffles, and when I worked as a truck driver, I made frequent deliveries on and worked along highways. I did not see any cars during the arrest, but I do know that they hardly move over, and do not slow down, from my experience being pushed into a street, means big trouble. I see that video and see people I know being pushed into traffic, or hurt, I just believe that stop had the potential to go bad. It was a "win", but in a sports analogy, an ugly win. Some departments do not have tasers, and with the drunk facing away from the officer, I am not sure if pepper sprayy would have worked

My thinking on dropping the light, is that If the drunk, looked at the light, when he heard it hit the ground, the officer might get an opening to grab him, and apply the wristlock, or the hold, that he tried at first, from what I have seen, most people will bend at the waist to pick up something on the ground, hopefully the officer could grab him by the back of the neck, and the pants, and force him off balance and to the ground, put his knee in his back and cuff him, if the guy squatted, I would have thought, that he was going to charge, and escalated the situation.

As for an officer, or somebody dealing with people, and needing to be 300#'s, and bench 400#'s, I have seen age enabled doormen, at bars, use the old back of the pants, and scruff of the neck trick to "walk" people out of bars. The main factor was that they had the mindset, training, experience, whatever, that this person was leaving, and they left.

I would like governments, to spend money on more training for police, corrections, and probation/parole officers. I bet by cutting welfare rolls, the money could be found. Some corrections facilities in MI, have small workout facilities as well as some firehouses. A basic rack, that can be used for squatting, and benching can be bought for around $200, a bench for about $100, an olympic weight set for another $200, a machine for doing pullups, and pulldowns about $400. A curling bar, and triceps bar for maybe another $50 each. Sometimes by offering employess, facilities to train in, can decrease health insurance premiums.

My wife is very limited equipment wise what she can carry, a gun, and pepper spray, that is good for maybe one shot, no knife, limited calibers, no BUG. The only thing, that I think that isn't prohibited is a bullet proof vest, I am looking into one, that is concealable, and easy to wear. Better firearms training, the proper way to knock on a door of a possibe BG, and working out, none of which the state pays for are other things I would like to look into. She had to buy here own folders, and filing system, to put her cases into. I am saying that departments are putting people's life's in danger, because of the lack of training, the bean counters say that workman's comp premiums or medical retirements, are cheaper. Even with the economy being bad, almost 50% of agents quit, before 6 months, and I think that they have an ad for corrections officers, statewide, on the state of MI website, for the last 5 years. As an example, probation officers, by contract are not suposed to be supervising cases, until they have 6 months experince, they usual time is about 6 weeks, and you get 40 cases, you do not even get scheduled for training on the computer system until your 4th month, and can not carry, until 6 months, even though my wife was qualifed with a .38, G-22, 870 12 ga, and Mini-14, she had tower training, and prisoner transport training. All of which was shot at non-moving paper targets, while standing still.

I am blaming the system, that puts officers in danger, not the officers. It always seems to be about money, and putting a pricetag, on human suffering, tell a pencil pusher, to try and play with their kid with a workman's comp check, or go to the mail box, or walk their dog. Most things happen in the blink of an eye, but last a lot longer, the medical costs alone for 1 workman's comp case, could probably pay for a whole lot of training, but that individual will never get back the time out of their life.
 

djw6611

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To the people that keep saying the officer should have just forced the man to the ground:

Why on earth would you want to even try that when you have a taser availiable to you? Your right, the guy had to get to the ground somehow, but if you've got a taser obviously you use that first before trying to physically do it. Now had that officer not had the taser or it didnt work, I think you would have seen him get very mean very fast with that drunk.

Distance is everything. You've got to remember, EVERY physical confrontation you get into with someone as a police officer is basically a fight with an armed person. Your wrestling with someone and you've got a gun a foot or less away, ONE mistake and they've got your gun and your dead, whose the tough guy now? Its a little bit different for a unarmed civilian in a fight because there is usually no firearm present. So if you can distance yourself and use the taser why not?

Sure the officer could have looked like the tough guy and just wrestled the guy until he got him in custody, but try that same routine in the middle of nowhere with no backup for the rest of his carreer and eventually he will run into someone who beats him and the officer doesnt go home again.
 

43061

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About a month ago I was dispatched to a verbal altercation in front of a house. Since I happened to be close at the time I got there quickly, but the guy causing the problem had left already. I knew instantly who I was looking for by the description I was given. The Chief had told me to not take this guy on by myself and to call for backup immediately because it had taken four officers to get him in cuffs the last time he was picked up. He also kicked the windows out of a cruiser that time.

I called for backup as I pulled away from the curb and as I turned the corner I met his vehicle coming the other way. Out here in the middle of nowhere my backup officer is the off duty officer (that would be the Chief and he was out of town this particular day). Dispatch was speaking to the Chief Deputy on the radio and it sounded like he wasn’t very fond of driving the fifteen miles over here to help me out, but he said he was on his way.

I turned my cruiser around to pull in behind this guy’s vehicle and he immediately stopped in the middle of the street. He suddenly pulled into a parking space to our right, jumped out of the car, and started walking back towards me. I gave him loud, clear verbal commands to return to his vehicle which he did, but instead of getting in he bent inside his vehicle and started to get something out. I of course am thinking it could be a gun and started to reach for my handgun, but to my complete surprise he pulled a chainsaw out of his car. Fortunately he did not head towards me with it though, he started to walk, and then a sort of run (which you’d have to see my in car video to thoroughly comprehend) away from me. I’m still in my cruiser at this time, so I start following him down the street, he then turns around and starts running at my cruiser. I came to a stop and the guy lays the chainsaw on my hood and takes off running down the street. I got out, removed the chainsaw, and started following him down the street.

He stopped after a couple blocks and was starting to talk to me calmly so I got out and was asking him what had happened earlier. During our conversation I mentioned that he was driving on a suspended license again. That caused him to exclaim, *&^% you, I’m not going to jail today, and off he went running again.

I was born a smart *&^ and it takes effort on my part to not say what goes through my mind at times. I thought, let me get my Dayrunner out and see what would be a better day for you, and started following him again.

There is a bunch more chasing (I still have my cruiser-he’s running). Eventually I had to get out and pursue him on foot. We ran across a cornfield where I easily caught up with him and are now totally alone out there. I have my handgun and he has nothing I can see.

By this time I know there are three officers on their way to help, but I am one on one with this guy. I’m facing a man that is 6 foot tall, but only weighs 140 pounds because of Methamphetamine use. His rap sheet is even longer than he is tall and includes multiple assaults on law enforcement officers.

His fights are legendary and there is little doubt in my mind that he will fight me so I used the one weapon I train with the most often, my verbal skills, and I got him to come with me, this time!

What I am attempting to say here is that this is the kind of guy that we face over and over. How dangerous he is to apprehend depends on how high he is at the time. A Taser is an equalizer when deadly force is not justified and getting too close is likely to become a wrestling match, a wrestling match where the winner gets a handgun.

Just for the record, I never did see those backup officers while all this happened.
 

radshop

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Not sure that this thread needs another post, but I just saw the discussion and the video.

I think that 10 or 15 years ago I would have thought the video was great, hilarious, worth sharing, etc. Now I see it and I just feel sad. Sometimes force is necessary and appropriate, but it's sad to see it come to that. It's also sad that in our society, we have so many ridiculous laws that any one of us could find ourselves in a situation where we are on "the wrong side of the law" and a well-intentioned cop who's just doing his job (or a dirty cop who's abusing his authority, for that matter) could be using the taser or the club or the gun on us. I guess I'm way off topic here, but since you can't taser me over the internet I feel pretty safe.
 

djw6611

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radshop -

Im not quite sure what the point of your post is. Do you think the drunken moron who got tasered was just some poor man who found himself on the wrong side of the law?

I can honestly say that I have absolutly zero fear of ever finding myself in that mans situation. Do you consider Driving under the influence, refusing to submit to a field sobriety test, and resisting arrest with violence ridiculous laws?

I dont understand what your are trying to say.

However if for some strange reason I ever did find myself being arrested with force, I would prefer it be with a taser which would cause ZERO permanent damage rather than being cracked over the head with a flashlight/baton or tackled to the ground and losing some teeth.

Dont forget here people, that police officer using the taser HAS been shocked with it himself in training/certification, they understand that hey it hurts but its the best option for BOTH parties involved.
 

radshop

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djw6611 - Yeah, I'm not sure what my point was either. I pretty much agree with most of your thoughts; mine was a "gut" response to seeing the video and thinking about other things that have more to do with me than with the drunk moron on the video. It would have been better if I'd have either gotten clear about what I wanted to say or not posted at all.

[edit: But if I keep posting random, rambling thoughts I can get me post count higher than yours :rolleyes: ]
 

NSO_w/_SIG

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My final thoughts.

Since I am the one who posted the video and started this thread here are my final thoughts!

I told myself not to post on this thread any more because I was getting fed up with some of the responces, but anyway.

The video is funny to me in that seeing that just down right makes me laugh.

I posted it in Tatics and Training forum for two reasons.

1. To show the effects of a taser for those who have never seen one in action.
2. To show how poorly the intial tatics of the officer were, but also to show that once he got seperation and decided to use the taser how effective he used it.


He used it exactly right. He did not "over do it" as some of you suggest.

Bottom line the suspect was wasted he could of easily killed himself, someone else, you, your mother, your daughter whatever............

If you don't agree with taking someone like that off the street there is something wrong with you. ......... No matter how he did it!
 

AnthonyRSS

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I can't understand how anyone could possible criticize the officer for shocking the man. His tactics weren't perfect, but he didn't even permanently hurt the man. Now he can go home tomorrow instead of spending a few days in the hospital. And for all you that say you couldn't understand the officer and would be mad if this happened to you, do you drive drunk and resist arrest? If so then you should hope that this would happen to you and you wouldn't be shot or beat to pieces. Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm done.
 

9304

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I know what 43061 is trying to say

I like the idea of having a Tazer, it could be a valuable assest to any LEO's arsenal. Like 43061 was trying to say, out here, our backup is at MINIMUM 10 minutes away, and were doing it by ourselves. Granted DUI, DUS, and the rest are not "serious" crimes, but we don't get the option of enforcing just the "serious" ones. Every contact can turn "serious"! Don't forget though, that the Tazer is a "less than lethal" weapon. That does not mean that it can't kill or harm if used improperly. My biggest problem with the Tazer though is the fact that in a high stress situation, I don't want to have to worry about which weapon I'm grabbing. We already have OC, Baton, and firearm. A 4th option could be confusing. That, and I don't have enough room on my gun belt to put it on anyway! :)
 

Brit

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Taser

The primary job of the taser is to stop Officers injuries in arresting people, period.

It hurts, it incapacitates, it sometimes kills (jury is still out on that) people who are drug damaged, huge cocaine blood content for instance.

A 105 lb female Officer can arrest a 250 lb drunk that is a good thing and seeing a drunk, in charge of a vehicle flop around till he got the message, and even though he was dumb!! The alcohol did not stop him feeling the pain, and quitting resistance when he had enough, he wasn’t shot, he was not the recipient of ASP tattoo marks, his elbows or knees where not ruined!!

Even his car was intact (hill billy Caddy) so b/4 people criticize, try rolling around on the hard ground as an adult! Try it for 3 minutes! The Officer was correct, if he was better trained in street fighting, a tight fist punch to Mr. Drunk’s throat could have killed him!!

I live in Orlando, and dodge drunk drivers on a fairly consistent Friday, Saturday exercise, hail the Officer with the taser.
Keep Safe.
 

Teufelhunden

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So much for tasers. In my opinion, this one has got to be one of the funniest DUI arrests that I've seen:

Hate to burst the bubble, but I'm fairly certain that's the busty blonde female deputy from Reno 911.

-Teuf
 

FirstFreedom

Moderator
Hilarious. Looks like a good "shoot" to me. I like how the officer has the ability to sink the barbs in, then administer or stop administering more juice as the situation may demand - looks like a handy product.
 
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