Parts question for Glock 26 gen 3

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Alan0354

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Captains1911 said:
The ejector is not a separate part, but rather part of the trigger housing. The Gen3 9mm trigger housing is the same part for all 9mm Gen3s.

Same holds true for the extractor, extractor depressor plunger, extractor depressor plunger spring, and spring loaded bearing. These parts are all the same for Gen3 9mm Glocks. The extractor itself comes in both a loaded chamber indicator (LCI) version and an earlier version without.

For these specific parts, there’s no good reason not to go with factory OEM glock parts, unless you are buying an aftermarket trigger kit that includes the trigger housing, and therefore the ejector as well.
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Thanks, that's what I kind of suspected as when I went on Glock parts, they just have general gen 3 9mm specified.

I can't wait, tomorrow is the day for appointment to buy the Glock 26. Then the waiting period. I don't even know how many days is the waiting period as it used to be 15 days. I read it's 10 days, I don't believe it.
 
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Captains1911

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Alan0354 said:
Thanks, that's what I kind of suspected as when I went on Glock parts, they just have general gen 3 9mm specified.

I can't wait, tomorrow is the day for appointment to buy the Glock 26. Then the waiting period. I don't even know how many days is the waiting period as it used to be 15 days. I read it's 10 days, I don't believe it.
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Sounds like a communist state.
 
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Alan0354

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I bought the Glock 26 today.

My question is the stock MIM extractor that bad that it won't last? Or is it just Apex trashing OEM Glock extractor to sell their expensive extractor?

Anyone have problem with the Glock stock extractor?
 
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Captains1911

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Alan0354 said:
I bought the Glock 26 today.

My question is the stock MIM extractor that bad that it won't last? Or is it just Apex trashing OEM Glock extractor to sell their expensive extractor?

Anyone have problem with the Glock stock extractor?
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It’s a glock, one of if not the most reliable, durable, and dependable pistols on the planet. Stop worrying about it.
 
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Captains1911

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You’re best off getting a spare recoil spring assembly (or two), trigger return spring, and slide lock spring. If it’s a brand new Gen3 glock, then those are the only parts that are even remotely close to requiring replacement within 5000 - 10,000 rds.
 
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Alan0354

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I am looking at the picture of the Apex extractor, they filed off the part EXACTLY how I would do as shown. I am debating whether to buy the stock MIM extractor that is much cheaper and file it down myself.
 

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CedarGrove357

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Alan0354, FWIW, I'm retired now, but was an LE Glock armorer for some years. Within my humble experience, Glocks are among the most reliable and robust semi-automatic pistols to be found. With quality factory ammunition, reloads/remanufactured, etc. ammunition doesn't count, they are about as close to 100% reliability as any pistols I know of. So enjoy your hobby, but I'm another that would suggest shooting the gun before modifications start...
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I second this opinion if for no other reason than to KNOW a baseline of performance of the firearm BEFORE modification. If you start tinkering before you know how it now works, you could find yourself in a pickle that was there before you started, and could wind up chasing your tail. GLOCKs are bricks plain and simple. They work. Tinkering is fine, but go into it with knowledge of where and with what you are starting. "Chance favors the prepared mind."
 
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Alan0354

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I know what you guys are saying and I am not disagreeing in normal time. BUT we are at the time that ammo is hard to get and very expensive even if you get hold of some. It is not cheap to "try it first and see". HighValleyRanch said a box of 50 can be as high as $99. I can shoot the price of the gun just to "try it first and see"!!!

I have not made up my mind which way to go, But if I put in the new extractor and find the shell eject far away, no hitting the face, it will be a big win. I looked at the Apex extractor, that's exactly what I would file down if I were to work on the extractor myself. There is try and see, or there is logical engineering reason why that is better that way. That's part of how I fixed my 3 guns before. It is a logical improvement.

And besides, I am not going to alter anything in the original gun, I am going to take the whole trigger housing out and keep it safe, I am buying a new gen3 trigger housing to modify. If it doesn't work, no harm no file, I can just put back the original housing and extractor and back to the original gun. Those housing are cheap, $9.99 each, so it's going to be like $30 or so. Cost of like 15 rounds of bullets!!!

All the parts together is NOT that expensive compare to the ammo now a days. I totally agree if it is the days of cheap ammo and reloads are available.


Now, I am not encourage anyone to do the same thing. I worked on guns, quite a bit of it. I fixed guns, this is not my first rodeo. I have all the tools in the workshop at home also. It is my responsibility to my own guns, no way am I encouraging people to listen to me to do the same thing to theirs.
 
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JohnKSa

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Anyone have problem with the Glock stock extractor?
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There were some problems with one of the Generations when they first came out, but that has been resolved, as far as I know.

The only problem I've heard is that if you direct chamber load (drop rounds in the chamber and then drop the slide as opposed to loading from the magazine as normal), you will likely chip an extractor eventually.

So don't direct chamber load--which is not really recommended for most guns anyway.
BUT we are at the time that ammo is hard to get and very expensive even if you get hold of some. It is not cheap to "try it first and see". HighValleyRanch said a box of 50 can be as high as $99. I can shoot the price of the gun just to "try it first and see"!!!
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What you are talking about doing is spending a bunch of money on parts without having any idea whether they are needed or not. The Apex extractor, alone, is around $55.

You won't have to shoot a whole box of ammunition to determine if the gun isn't extracting/ejecting properly, maybe only 5 to 10 rounds--even at $100 a box, that's only $10-$20.

So you spend $10 to $20 and now you know exactly what you need to fix--and you can buy only the parts you need to buy instead of buying all the parts you are speculating that you might need. Which means that even if you do need parts, you will probably save money over just buying everything on your list up front.

And if the gun works fine, then you saved a LOT of money--$55 alone on just the Apex extractor.

The bottom line appears to be that you WANT to tinker with the parts. Which is fine--it just doesn't make sense to try to justify it by pointing to cost. If you want to save money, the best solution is to fire a few rounds to diagnose first and then go from there.

By the way, be sure to do your testing with the magazine in the gun. The magazine is part of the ejection system of the Glock. Without it in place, it's common to get unusual ejection.
 
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Alan0354

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I qualify my guns with at least 200 to 300 round after I work out all the kinks. I cannot judge by 20 rounds to just look at the ejection pattern. I calculated, the total parts cost is like $110 including changing to 30274 ejector and Apex extractor. That's only a little more than a box of 50 ammo.

I know I am justifying this, I take all the youtube and website comments as only a grain of salt. But I am betting 3 of 3 from my personal experience, not from hear say. Like I said, I do guysmithing.
 
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JohnKSa

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But I am betting 3 of 3 from my personal experience...
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If you want to mess around with your new pistol, modifying/buying/installing parts, patterning the ejection over hundreds of rounds, that's certainly your prerogative. But I don't think you can claim you're doing it based on personal experience when you have none with the brand in question. And it's very unlikely to be a money saving strategy.

As far as "hearsay" goes, here's some just for fun.

I own 9 Glocks at the moment.*** One of them doesn't work, it's a cutaway model. So the comments below are only applicable to 8 of them

Number of Glocks that I have owned that have needed new or modified extractors to be reliable: 0.

Number of Glocks that have needed new or modified ejectors: 0 (To be fair, Glock did come out with a new ejector for one of the pistols I own. The pistol was not malfunctioning, but I figured going with the new part couldn't hurt. So I called them and they sent me a new one at no charge. I installed it and it was reliable without any fitting/filing/bending required.)

Number of Glocks that needed new springs or adjustments to any part of the ejection/extraction system to be reliable out of the box: 0 (Again, to be fair, Glock did come out with a new recoil spring assembly for one of the pistols I own. The pistol was not malfunctioning, but again, I figured having the new part would be good. They sent me one at no charge upon request and it worked fine.)

Ammunition required for patterning ejection to achieve reliability: 0 rounds.

Amount of money spent on parts to achieve reliability: $0

Amount of filing/grinding/tuning/bending required to achieve reliability: None.

Of course, 8 isn't a huge sample size--certainly not a guarantee that all Glock owners will have the same experience I did.

***No, Glock is not the only brand I own. I own firearms from a number of makers--in fact, looking through my inventory I see that when I count up the pistols I own by brand, Glock doesn't top the list. I own more than 10 handguns by one other maker.
 
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Alan0354

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Hi JohnKSA

All 3 of my semi auto was NOT reliable out of the box, all had problem and I fixed it. By that, I mean jammed in the first 50 rounds. Not fixed first and saw no problem. The 659 was so bad I sent it back for warranty repair at the first place but they never totally fixed it. that's where I jumped in. I mentioned this a few times before.

I don't believe in breaking in, that the first 50 rounds don't count. I don't believe in only certain brand ammo can be reliable. I don't give excuse for the gun that jam.
 
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Alan0354

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Too bad cycling dummy rounds cannot show ejection problem, I tried that already. You have to cycle empty shell to see how the ejection looks. I don't think I can put empty shell into the mag and manually cycle it. Shell alone is too short to stay in the right place in the mag.

Maybe if I put dummy round in the mag after the empty shell so I can actually cycle the empty shell with the dummy round in the mag to replicate the real life situation.


EDIT: this really gives me ideas, I just ordered some of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/9MM-Luger-Snap-Caps-Dummy-Training-Rounds-115-gr-TEN-HOLLOW-POINT-9MM-Keyring/283982558994?hash=item421eadf712:g:hu8AAOSwaQdfoxu0

I can use these to stuff the mag and put an empty shell at the top, load the shell in the chamber and check ejection pattern, then I can use these dummy round to check feeding. These are hollow points, I can even grind the top a little flatter to simulate those Silver Tips for feeding reliability.
 
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Captains1911

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I currently own 15 glocks, and have sold 5 or 6 in the past. None of them had ejector or extractor issues. You seem to be in search of a problem that doesn’t exist.
 
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TunnelRat

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Alan0354 said:
Hi JohnKSA

All 3 of my semi auto was NOT reliable out of the box, all had problem and I fixed it. By that, I mean jammed in the first 50 rounds. Not fixed first and saw no problem. The 659 was so bad I sent it back for warranty repair at the first place but they never totally fixed it. that's where I jumped in. I mentioned this a few times before.

I don't believe in breaking in, that the first 50 rounds don't count. I don't believe in only certain brand ammo can be reliable. I don't give excuse for the gun that jam.
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You’ve mentioned it a few times and people have explained to you a few times that with modern firearms it’s generally not needed.

I don’t remember anyone here saying Glocks out of the box need a break in, wouldn’t work for the first 50 rounds, or need a certain brand of ammo. I don’t remember anyone excusing Glocks for jamming. Honestly, stop asking us for validation of your plans and just do what you want to do as you seem to have your mind set. For that matter at a point this should be moved to the gunsmithing section if that’s the new purpose of the thread.

$99 a box of 50 is also not the new standard price. Cheaper Than Dirt is merely continuing its historical practice of inflated prices (I don’t know why people continue to shop with them). You already had an offer for $25 a box.

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HighValleyRanch

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Jeez, you wasting all of our time. GO back and buy the three boxes of factory ammo, and shoot the dang thing if you can even find a range open.
Those dummy round look like an accident waiting to happen.
Fixating on Kabooms and ejecting problems are not going to be solved by tinkering or reloaded ammo.
Get some training in basics.
I've never had any function problems in the many many glocks I've owned.
 
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Alan0354

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Yeh, I wish there is a gunsmithing forum here, then I won't be talking here. Gunsmithing is just as a hobby for me if not more than shooting. If anyone know of a gunsmithing forum, let me know. Always into mechanical stuffs, from fixing cars to everything else. If it's not for the huge size, I would even consider buying a milling machine at home and make my own parts!!!

Ha ha, I have yet to talk about my gunsmithing on smoothing double action of revolvers I have as this is semi auto forum.

thanks
 
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