armoredman
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Glock purists just howled at the moon at that one.
I have to say, I'd like to see that version.
New Army Handgun: We're Really Doing This
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I have to say, I'd like to see that version.simonrichter
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they did not. G17 both Army and Police in Austria!
Grumpy_Bottom
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I havent seen it bandied about much, but could the five-seven become a contender?
Glenn E. Meyer
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Probably not as it was designed to go with the rifles as a companion piece. We don't use the rifle in the services.
Of course, the round can shoot down flying saucers as seen in SG-1.
Of course, the round can shoot down flying saucers as seen in SG-1.
thouht i would ressurect this old thread with some current news i came across. this would make alot folks happy if it happened
http://bearingarms.com/confirmed-kriss-usa-will-pursue-u-s-army-modular-handgun-system-contract/
http://bearingarms.com/confirmed-kriss-usa-will-pursue-u-s-army-modular-handgun-system-contract/
marine6680
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Apparently hollow point ammo is on the table as well.
If the Sig 320 passes the trials, I think it has the best shot. It has all the "modularity" the army could want. One of the desired abilities is to be converted to a compact size.
Its possible they may choose a pistol that requires two versions to fit the full size and compact size, but the 320 does not have that limitation.
I like my M&p though, so I wouldn't mind seeing it win... Might make for a ready source of cheap and reliable mags... Or it could make for a short supply.
It will be interesting to follow either way, no matter which is picked, if any.
If the Sig 320 passes the trials, I think it has the best shot. It has all the "modularity" the army could want. One of the desired abilities is to be converted to a compact size.
Its possible they may choose a pistol that requires two versions to fit the full size and compact size, but the 320 does not have that limitation.
I like my M&p though, so I wouldn't mind seeing it win... Might make for a ready source of cheap and reliable mags... Or it could make for a short supply.
It will be interesting to follow either way, no matter which is picked, if any.
stonewall50
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I don't understand why they don't just get glocks. Law enforcement loves them. And I've seen one that was literally on fire be able to shoot after it was extinguished (well...obviously not while it was still hot).
marine6680
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Because many don't like the way a glock feels.
One of the reasons for these trials is to find a pistol that is adaptable to smaller handed shooters.
One of the reasons for these trials is to find a pistol that is adaptable to smaller handed shooters.
Why recreate the wheel and spend hundreds of millions or billions for another handgun trials? Learn from what the British Ministry of Defensr did within the last 3 years to replace their clapped-out BHP's with the Gen4 Glock 17;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...pistol-as-glock-bests-browning-after-46-years
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23797.aspx
For a military combat warfighter, a pistol was, is, and always will be a BUG to the M16 based primary weapon. An M9, Glock or whathaveyou is useful when the M4-A1 jams and you need to fight your way to a functional M4-A1.
I have direct experience with DOD procurement practices and the FAR / DFAR procurement regulations. So I can tell you there is no way to predict how the M9 replacement will be chosen. With sequestration, the current administration and congress has the whole bureaucratic DOD procurement process tied up in more knots than usual. A gradual replacement of the M9 as these become worn out and too expensive to fix, with the Glocks, based on the recent British MoD small arms evaluations, makes sense but let's just see how this gets handled in the U.S.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...pistol-as-glock-bests-browning-after-46-years
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23797.aspx
For a military combat warfighter, a pistol was, is, and always will be a BUG to the M16 based primary weapon. An M9, Glock or whathaveyou is useful when the M4-A1 jams and you need to fight your way to a functional M4-A1.
I have direct experience with DOD procurement practices and the FAR / DFAR procurement regulations. So I can tell you there is no way to predict how the M9 replacement will be chosen. With sequestration, the current administration and congress has the whole bureaucratic DOD procurement process tied up in more knots than usual. A gradual replacement of the M9 as these become worn out and too expensive to fix, with the Glocks, based on the recent British MoD small arms evaluations, makes sense but let's just see how this gets handled in the U.S.
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I would love to see a Sphynx M9 replacement but that's probably more for the publicity than anything else. I think Glock and Sig have the best chances. Glock's service history data is abundant, while the P320's is very slim. I wonder if that factors in at all or if they feel their independent testing is the only data they need to make a decision.
t4terrific
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Our government doesn't think our servicemen are smart enough to operate a Glock without shooting themselves. That's why they always demand safety switches that Glocks do not have.
The NYPD feels the same way about their "most elite police force in the world". They make their officers carry Glocks with extra heavy triggers because they can't be trusted to not shoot themselves.
It's funny how civilians can handle Glocks without all killing themselves, but the big shots in the government and NYPD think so little of their officers, that they can't trust them with a regular old Glock.
marine6680
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While the glock gen 4s improved the feel of the glock design... It's still not very friendly to small hands.
It's also not modular in the way the trials want... Most of the entries are not really modular. Only the Sig really fits the design criteria.
Other entries are probably looking to win by performance and price more than fitting the design goals completely.
It's also not modular in the way the trials want... Most of the entries are not really modular. Only the Sig really fits the design criteria.
Other entries are probably looking to win by performance and price more than fitting the design goals completely.
Glenn E. Meyer
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The accidents were finger on the trigger events and due to undertrained officers.
The question being how and when you train to flick the safety off vs. idiots with finger on the trigger.
Next, Glocks with safeties for specific contracts are well known - so this is a silly objection if you claim that they don't exist.
The question being how and when you train to flick the safety off vs. idiots with finger on the trigger.
Next, Glocks with safeties for specific contracts are well known - so this is a silly objection if you claim that they don't exist.
As I said a number of times in this thread that has gone on much longer than I anticipated lol (not a bad thing, just surprised) I would see it as pretty surprising if the military went from a hammer down safety on DA/SA gun to a safety-less striker. I imagine a safety will be there. As WVsig said a Glock could, and has in the past, be fitted with a safety. The big question to me is just how importance is modularity. If it is the key point then a number of pistols would be out of the running.
seeker_two
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....or FN. They didn't develop the FNSC just for the civilian market. FN may try to go for the package deal.
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