Meanwhile, Back at Wal-Mart....

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Tanzer

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A recent thread about a shady Mid-Eastern fella' at an Arizona Wal-Mart got the poster praised, chastized and eveything in between. The "hinkines" factor was called into play.
Friday night, with Omaha still fresh in my mind, I was at Wal-Mart with my wife and two kids. While my wife (in condition snow-white) was comparing prices of napkins (for cryin' out loud), I noticed the following:
Three Mid-Eastern young men, all hands in jacket pockets, standing in the electronics department. One was looking around, dare I say "nervously", while the other two were, get this, singing along with the Christmas music. Yup, Chestnuts roasting....on an open fire.... with thick accents. My daughter was closer to them than I felt comfortable with, and my son was busy complaining about how long we'd been there.
I grabbed the napkins in my wife's hand, tossed them in the cart, callled my daughter over and said: "Go this way now". My wife huffed, figuring I was just looking to get home, but followed. I explained later. My daughter later informed us that they were arguing (and that they smelled - not like BO, but some "weird smell' as she put it).
No mall ninja stuff, I took a quick picture with my cell phone in their general direction without being obvious, then we just grabbed a few things in grocery, but I insisted; no more hanging around looking at sweaters, and left for our next stop (the young girls' department at Kohl's - (talk about hinkey - a 45 year old guy standing next to a rack full of teen girl's underwear-ewww).
OBVIOUSLY, it could have been nothing at all...Just looking for a gift, but how often does anyone advertise that they're going to cause trouble? I saw "Hinkeyness", plain and simple.
Anyhow, does anyone wish to tell me that I over/under reacted? Was I caught up in "blind mistrust and intolerance"? Did I do too little by not ducking from rack to rack to keep tabs on them? Or did I simply do what a guy with a family and a .45 under his sweater should have done? I think I know the answer. I have no regrets, nor does my wife. We've been in a brandishing situation before, and she generally trusts me.
What say all of you??
 
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rampage841512

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You want to hear hinky?

I'm in the bank this Saturday and the particular branch it is convient for me to use has been robbed a few times. I don't worry about it too much because lately there has been a heavy police presence, and well, I do carry a gun for a reason, after all. Yeah, yeah. I should avoid it anyway, but it's a twenty minute drive to the next closest and gas prices are already killing me.

Anyway, I'm standing in line with another man behind me, and some guy in a heavy, long coat comes walking from the front of the bank toward where I'm standing. He goes past me and stops in the corner next to the door, hand under his coat near his kidney. He looks around, and walks over to the opposite corner and with his eyes scans everyone in the bank. Meanwhile, I'm keeping my eyes on his hand under his coat and moving my body so I can keep him in sight. I notice the guy behind me is doing the same thing. Anyway, Mr. Hinky walked out of the bank and I relaxed a little. The guy standing in line behind me commented, "That guy was making me a little nervous." "Yeah, me too," I replied. I wasn't able to keep from glancing back at the door every twenty seconds or so. Next time, drive through teller (I didn't have deposit slip this time).
 

wolfdog45

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rampage841512 I know what you mean.
When I come home from work there is only 1 bank between my work place and my home. So I use it all the time.
The bank has been robbed 3 times before but they have installed all kinds of security ( bullet proof windows for the tellers, automatic lock door that has to opened by the teller with the push of a button.)
A couple of times I got nervouse because of the way some people acted. But I'm good friends with the tellers and I don't want to drive 15 to 20 minutes out of my way to go to another bank.
 

rantingredneck

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Tanzer, I can't honestly say I would have done anything different. Except maybe go as far as leaving the shopping cart and napkins right where they stood in the aisle and usher family toward the exit.

I've seen some "hinkeyness" before myself and done similar things (much to the annoyance of my wife at the time, until she found out why).

There come those situations where we see that "hinkeyness" (good word by the way) and sometimes can't even put a finger on why it's hinkey, but we know in our gut that something is wrong with the situation.

Time to not be there when that happens.
 

rantingredneck

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As far as hinkeyness goes, though. Had a wierd one myself a week or two ago in the Lowe's parking lot. I was at my truck putting the key in the lock when a van pulls in behind my truck and a guy starts to get out asking me "do you want to buy some speakers?". First thought "Stolen". Second thought "Why is this guy getting out of his truck when his window was down already?". Third thought "Why is this guy advancing toward me acting all nervous and trying to sell me likely stolen speakers while his buddy has my truck blocked in?"

I tossed the thermostat I'd just bought on top of my toolbox and turned left side toward him and told him "NO". He then asked "Not interested at all?". To which I again said "NO". My right hand was still hanging at my side but it was one short grab away from 9 rounds of .45ACP.

He backed away and got back in his van. They circled the lot and came back around in front of me, staring at me the whole way.

Did I overreact? I don't think so.
 

Unregistered

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"Three Mid-Eastern young men....
while the other two were, get this, singing along with the Christmas music"


News Flash: Christianity was started in the Middle East.


A question: Was the Omaha mall shooter middle eastern?
 

Derius_T

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I personally wouldn't call it over-reacting, but prudent. At least you were self aware enough to react to a percieved feeling of danger, which is more than most people. While I don't particularly 'like' racial profiling per se, it DOES come into play, especially these days, when tensions against certain people are running high. I've never been a racist person, but paying closer attention to certain individuals based on their race, has become a sad reality.

I think, at least for awhile, some people are going to act weird, when it comes to certain ethnic groups.
 

markj

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I think after an event like we had here in Omaha, folks are antsy and see a terrorist everywhere they go. I went to Wal mart too, got a deer license I am in Iowa, so many folks Christmas shopping, took a half hour to check out. Lots of folks acting unlike me :) but am I normal? who is? We all act differently than each other. I watch the hands at all times, they give all away in a nervous potential terrorist.
 

JBriggs

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Some more hinkeyness at a Wal-Mart. About four weeks ago my wife and newborn daughter were in the parking lot around 10:30 pm. As we were putting our child in her stroller, a young man dressed in the "gang banger" fashion started walking toward us from about 100 yards away. At first I did not think anything about it- that he was just going to the Wal-Mart like us. But he kept coming straight for us. I locked eyes on him and never took them off his hands, while making sure I was "ready." He came within three feet of us and then turned abruptly around to whence he came. I guess he figured we were not going to be easy pickings. Just goes to show you that we are not safe any where- even in a well lit parking lot with two hundred other people milling around.
 

lockedcj7

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About 15 years ago, I was waiting in line to buy a movie ticket with wife 1.0. A really greasy, long-haired guy walked directly into the lobby without buying a ticket and carrying a backpack. About a minute later, he came back out without the backpack. We didn't hang around to find out what was going on but it certainly wasn't normal behavior.

Call it intuition, JDLR, paranoia or profiling. Being aware of potential danger has kept our species alive for a long time. Those of us who are vigilant will hopefully never be caught off guard. You didn't call the cops or otherwise harass these guys and they were probably not up to anything, so I say; "well done!"
 

spctim11

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My son and I were on our way back from a funeral at night and I figured I would change the mood by buying a Christmas Tree. So we stop at the ATM drive-thru at the bank to get cash. As I am waiting for it to spit out my cash this vehicle drives in the exit with their bass kicking with the usual suspects in it. All I could do was keep eyeing in the mirror waiting for them to approach and we were going to floor it out of there as I figured they wouldn't just shoot randomly into the car(I know don't assume) as I couldn't leave as I just needed 10 more seconds for my cash and card to come out.
I hadn't felt that vulnerable in a while.
 

Malexander

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I guess the question is whether your reaction was based on them being 3 young guys standing nervously in the electronics department or whether your reaction was based on 3 middle eastern young guys standing around nervously in the electronics department.

I agree with your response, more or less, though I can't really see the relevance of their ethnicity.
 

Tanzer

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I agree with your response, more or less, though I can't really see the relevance of their ethnicity.
It's all interrelated, the sum of all the parts. Nothing specific - it just added up to "hinkeyness" as coined by another member.
 

NGIB

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The best line I ever heard about racial profiling came on a Fox news show (think it was Bill O'Reilly) when the topic was something along the lines of special attention to "young middle-eastern men" at airports. After the ACLU guy ran on for about 5 minutes, the security specialist looked at him and said: "It wasn't 20 blond haired, blue eyed swedes that hijacked the planes."

Never hurts to be cautious...
 

Unregistered

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Was the Omaha mall shooter middle eastern?

Was the recent shooter in the Colorado church middle eastern?

I agree that most hijackers have been middle eastern, but I think most of these deranged shooters are not.
 

ZeSpectre

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I grabbed the napkins in my wife's hand, tossed them in the cart, callled my daughter over and said: "Go this way now". My wife huffed, figuring I was just looking to get home, but followed.

Tanzer,
This sort of thing (a "hinky" situation where you don't want to raise an alarm) is exactly why the wife and I have a couple of phrases that sound totally innocent but really mean "we need to leave gracefully, calmly, and subtly, but RIGHT NOW and I'll explain the problem later when we are someplace safer".

We use references to calling a relative who passed away. If I say "Oh darn, I need to call Uncle Joel and I left his number at home" my wife knows it's time to go...right now!


Oh and for those wondering... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hinky

Main Entry:
hin·ky
Pronunciation:
\ˈhiŋ-kē\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
hin·ki·er; hin·ki·est
Etymology:
alteration of argot hincty suspicious
Date:
1956
1slang : nervous, jittery2slang : suspicious
 
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