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Might want to give this a look-see.
McCain Selects Alaska Gov. Palin as Running Mate
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http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26197
Might want to give this a look-see.
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Looks like the Sarah Palin Rorshach test is working already. Getting to know you, friends. Doesn't she just make you want to scream? Hee hee.
Dearhunter61
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You say a "friend" of yours said she destroyed the state...Please be more specific...
You say a "friend" of yours said she destroyed the state...Please be more specific...
A friend of mine lives in Alaska, she said Palin destroyed the state, particularly in the environmental sector.
was your friend in politics?
I have a friend from new york who says Bush flew the planes into the towers. I have a friend in new orleans who says Bush broke the levees.....
was your friend in politics?
I have a friend from new york who says Bush flew the planes into the towers. I have a friend in new orleans who says Bush broke the levees.....
Dearhunter61
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Ok...I am going to try this again...
Moderators...Due to length this will be over two posts...and seperate.
I was told I can post the info as long as I include both candidates so here goes..
Here is what I have found on Wikipedia on Palin:
City council and mayorship
Palin began her political career in 1992, running for Wasilla City Council as a supporter of the controversial new sales tax and with an advertisement advocating "a safer, more progressive Wasilla".[8] She won and served two terms on the council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged and defeated incumbent mayor John Stein, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[3] In January 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla police chief and library director. In response, a group of 60 residents calling themselves Concerned Citizens for Wasilla discussed attempting a recall campaign against Palin, but then decided against it.[9] The fired police chief later sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was eventually dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons.[10] Palin followed through on her campaign promises to reduce her own salary, and to reduce property taxes by 40%.[3] At this time, state Republican leaders began grooming her for higher office. [11] She ran for re-election against Stein in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[3][12] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[13]
While Mayor of Wasilla, Palin wore a "Buchanan for President" button during conservative Pat Buchanan's 1996 visit to Wasilla; Palin has stated that she "welcome all the candidates in Wasilla" and disagreed with the perception that she was endorsing Buchanan.[14] Buchanan described Palin as a "supporter" in an interview after she was selected as the Vice Presidential nominee by McCain.[14][15]
2002 election
In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a five-way race in the Republican primary. After Frank Murkowski resigned from his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term to become governor, he considered appointing Palin to his Senate seat but instead chose his daughter, Alaska state representative Lisa Murkowski.[16]
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[17] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[18][3] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[19] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[3]
Governorship
Running on a clean-government campaign in 2006, Palin upset then-Governor Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.[3] In August, she declared that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.[20] Despite being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she won the gubernatorial election in November, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles 48.3% to 40.9%.[3]
Governor Palin with sole U.S. Representative Don Young of Alaska who championed and secured funding for the Gravina Island Bridge project.Palin became Alaska's first woman governor and, at 42, the youngest in Alaskan history. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood and the first not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.
Palin initially expressed support for the Gravina Island Bridge project,[21] commonly known outside the state as the "Bridge to Nowhere." However, once it had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending and some federal funding was lost, Palin cancelled the bridge because Alaska's congressional delegation was unable to prevent the state of Alaska from having to pay for part of the bridge's construction.[22][23] Alaska still kept the federal money,[24] but she stated that Alaska should rely less on federal funding.[25]
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[26] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[22]
Palin frequently had an approval rating above 90% in 2007.[25] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%,[27] while another Ivan Moore poll showed it at 76%, a drop which the pollsters attributed to the controversial firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.[28]
Energy and environment
Palin at Alaska Airmen's Trade Show in Anchorage, Alaska on May 10, 2008Palin has strongly promoted oil resource development in Alaska[29], and also helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.[22][25] Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.[30] After she was announced as Senator McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that "I'm not one though who would attribute it [global warming] to being man-made."[31]
Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority.[32][33] Clark later pleaded guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.[34]
In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.[35] This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's former employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure,[36] and in June, Palin signed it into law.[37][38] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[39][40] In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines a license to build and operate the $26-billion-dollar pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48 through Canada.[41]
In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.[42] She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly, paid for partially by the money given to the state of Alaska that was to be spent on the "Bridge to Nowhere,"[citation needed] and eliminate the state sales tax on gasoline.[43]
In 2007, Palin approved a $150 cash incentive for each Alaskan wolf to be killed by hunters in helicopters.[44] The incentive was called a "bounty" for killing wolves by Alaska Wildlife Alliance Director John Toppenberg.[44] She agreed with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game to allow Alaska state biologists to hunt wolves from helicopters as part of a "predator control" program which was allowed under a provision in a 35-year-old federal ban on the practice granting 700 permits to the state of Alaska.[45] The program was heavily criticized by Defenders of Wildlife and predator control opponents,[45] and prompted California State Representative George Miller to introduce a federal bill making the practice illegal.[45] In March 2008, a federal judge upheld the practice of hunting wolves from the air, but limited its extent.[46]
In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears as an endangered species. She threatened a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts. She said the move to list the bears was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare.[47]
She has called the global warming theory supported by Kempthrone and most scientists "unreliable", and asserted that human activity has not caused Arctic ice to melt, stating that "I'm not one though who would attribute it [global warming] to being man-made."[31]
Budget
Shortly after becoming governor, Palin canceled a contract for the construction of an 11-mile (18-kilometer) gravel road outside Juneau to a mine. This reversed a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski Administration.[48]
In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budget—the largest in Alaska's history.[49] At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6 billion.[50]
When on June 6, 2007, the Alaska Creamery Board recommended closing Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business, Palin objected, citing concern for the impact on dairy farmers and the fact that the dairy had just received $600,000 in state money. When Palin found out that the Board of Agriculture and Conservation appoints Creamery Board members, she replaced the entire membership of the Board of Agriculture and Conservation.[25][51] The new board reversed the decision to close the dairy, but later in 2007, with Palin's support, the unprofitable business was put up for sale. There were no offers in December 2007, when the minimum bid was set at $3.35 million,[52][53] and the dairy was closed that month. In August 2008, the Anchorage plant was purchased for $1.5 million, the new minimum bid; the purchaser plans to convert it into heated storage units.[54]
Public Safety Commissioner dismissal
Main article: Alaska Public Safety Commissioner dismissal
On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[55] She instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[56][57]
Her power to fire him is not in dispute, but Monegan alleged that his dismissal may have been an abuse of power tied to his reluctance to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[58] Palin is currently being investigated by an independent investigator hired by the Alaska Legislature[59] to determine whether she abused her power when she fired Monegan.[60][61]
Moderators...Due to length this will be over two posts...and seperate.
I was told I can post the info as long as I include both candidates so here goes..
Here is what I have found on Wikipedia on Palin:
City council and mayorship
Palin began her political career in 1992, running for Wasilla City Council as a supporter of the controversial new sales tax and with an advertisement advocating "a safer, more progressive Wasilla".[8] She won and served two terms on the council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged and defeated incumbent mayor John Stein, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[3] In January 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla police chief and library director. In response, a group of 60 residents calling themselves Concerned Citizens for Wasilla discussed attempting a recall campaign against Palin, but then decided against it.[9] The fired police chief later sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was eventually dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons.[10] Palin followed through on her campaign promises to reduce her own salary, and to reduce property taxes by 40%.[3] At this time, state Republican leaders began grooming her for higher office. [11] She ran for re-election against Stein in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[3][12] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[13]
While Mayor of Wasilla, Palin wore a "Buchanan for President" button during conservative Pat Buchanan's 1996 visit to Wasilla; Palin has stated that she "welcome
2002 election
In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a five-way race in the Republican primary. After Frank Murkowski resigned from his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term to become governor, he considered appointing Palin to his Senate seat but instead chose his daughter, Alaska state representative Lisa Murkowski.[16]
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[17] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[18][3] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[19] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[3]
Governorship
Running on a clean-government campaign in 2006, Palin upset then-Governor Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.[3] In August, she declared that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.[20] Despite being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she won the gubernatorial election in November, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles 48.3% to 40.9%.[3]
Governor Palin with sole U.S. Representative Don Young of Alaska who championed and secured funding for the Gravina Island Bridge project.Palin became Alaska's first woman governor and, at 42, the youngest in Alaskan history. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood and the first not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.
Palin initially expressed support for the Gravina Island Bridge project,[21] commonly known outside the state as the "Bridge to Nowhere." However, once it had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending and some federal funding was lost, Palin cancelled the bridge because Alaska's congressional delegation was unable to prevent the state of Alaska from having to pay for part of the bridge's construction.[22][23] Alaska still kept the federal money,[24] but she stated that Alaska should rely less on federal funding.[25]
She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[26] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[22]
Palin frequently had an approval rating above 90% in 2007.[25] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%,[27] while another Ivan Moore poll showed it at 76%, a drop which the pollsters attributed to the controversial firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.[28]
Energy and environment
Palin at Alaska Airmen's Trade Show in Anchorage, Alaska on May 10, 2008Palin has strongly promoted oil resource development in Alaska[29], and also helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.[22][25] Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.[30] After she was announced as Senator McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that "I'm not one though who would attribute it [global warming] to being man-made."[31]
Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority.[32][33] Clark later pleaded guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.[34]
In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.[35] This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's former employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure,[36] and in June, Palin signed it into law.[37][38] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[39][40] In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines a license to build and operate the $26-billion-dollar pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48 through Canada.[41]
In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.[42] She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly, paid for partially by the money given to the state of Alaska that was to be spent on the "Bridge to Nowhere,"[citation needed] and eliminate the state sales tax on gasoline.[43]
In 2007, Palin approved a $150 cash incentive for each Alaskan wolf to be killed by hunters in helicopters.[44] The incentive was called a "bounty" for killing wolves by Alaska Wildlife Alliance Director John Toppenberg.[44] She agreed with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game to allow Alaska state biologists to hunt wolves from helicopters as part of a "predator control" program which was allowed under a provision in a 35-year-old federal ban on the practice granting 700 permits to the state of Alaska.[45] The program was heavily criticized by Defenders of Wildlife and predator control opponents,[45] and prompted California State Representative George Miller to introduce a federal bill making the practice illegal.[45] In March 2008, a federal judge upheld the practice of hunting wolves from the air, but limited its extent.[46]
In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears as an endangered species. She threatened a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts. She said the move to list the bears was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare.[47]
She has called the global warming theory supported by Kempthrone and most scientists "unreliable", and asserted that human activity has not caused Arctic ice to melt, stating that "I'm not one though who would attribute it [global warming] to being man-made."[31]
Budget
Shortly after becoming governor, Palin canceled a contract for the construction of an 11-mile (18-kilometer) gravel road outside Juneau to a mine. This reversed a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski Administration.[48]
In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budget—the largest in Alaska's history.[49] At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6 billion.[50]
When on June 6, 2007, the Alaska Creamery Board recommended closing Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business, Palin objected, citing concern for the impact on dairy farmers and the fact that the dairy had just received $600,000 in state money. When Palin found out that the Board of Agriculture and Conservation appoints Creamery Board members, she replaced the entire membership of the Board of Agriculture and Conservation.[25][51] The new board reversed the decision to close the dairy, but later in 2007, with Palin's support, the unprofitable business was put up for sale. There were no offers in December 2007, when the minimum bid was set at $3.35 million,[52][53] and the dairy was closed that month. In August 2008, the Anchorage plant was purchased for $1.5 million, the new minimum bid; the purchaser plans to convert it into heated storage units.[54]
Public Safety Commissioner dismissal
Main article: Alaska Public Safety Commissioner dismissal
On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[55] She instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[56][57]
Her power to fire him is not in dispute, but Monegan alleged that his dismissal may have been an abuse of power tied to his reluctance to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[58] Palin is currently being investigated by an independent investigator hired by the Alaska Legislature[59] to determine whether she abused her power when she fired Monegan.[60][61]
Dearhunter61
New member
Now this is what is found on Obama....
Saturday, November 03, 2007
Barack Obama explains socialism
Four thousand supporters turned out for a rally with Senator Barack Obama in Durham, North Carolina, on Thursday. The Democratic presidential candidate said he would not take any questions, but he relented when a five-year-old girl named Hadassah Jones broke into tears. She was there as a correspondent for brandnewz.com.
According to the Associated Press story, Senator Obama gave the little girl a brief explanation of his plan for universal health insurance coverage and improved education. Then he explained his view that the wealthy should pay the expenses of people who are not wealthy:
"We've got to make sure that people who have more money help the people who have less money," Sen. Obama said. "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, would you give him a slice?"
Oh, my. He should have stuck to his plan to take no questions.
Senator Obama glossed right over the difference between a moral imperative to be kind to people and government force that throws people in jail if they refuse to pay up.
When a presidential candidate says "We've got to make sure," that is the language of government force.
Maybe the senator should have explained it to Hadassah this way:
"If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, should you be expelled from school if you refuse to give him a slice?"
Or maybe he should have explained it this way:
"If your mommy and daddy worked very hard at their jobs and went to school at night so they could make enough money to give you everything you need, should they have to give that money to all the parents who dropped out of school and wasted their time, and to all the parents who spent their money on things that your parents passed up so they could support you?"
Or maybe he could have explained it this way:
"If you build a lemonade stand and buy lemons and sugar and pitchers and cups and stand out in the hot sun all day selling lemonade, and at the end of the day you have fifteen dollars, whose money is that? Is the answer the same if it's only two dollars? What if it's fifty dollars?"
This is not an argument over giving away a slice of pizza. This is an argument about the morality of collectivism. When Senator Obama, and almost all other politicians, make their arguments for fairness and compassion, they are advocating not voluntary charitable giving, but government confiscation of some people's property for the benefit of other people, chosen by the government on the basis of need, or perhaps voting record.
Do the fruits of your labor belong to you, or do they belong to the people who most need them?
And if they belong to the people who most need them, are you a slave to the needs of people you don't know and can't control?
Collectivism is not the opposite of capitalism. It's the opposite of freedom.
Even a five-year-old should know that.
Another article:
There’s a big mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college? Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school? Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of “the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm”, in college? Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?
If there is a mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father, one thing is not left a mystery, the fact that Barack Obama organized his life on the ideals given to him by his Kenyan father. Obama tells us, “All of my life, I carried a single image of my father, one that I .. tried to take as my own.” (p. 220) And what was that image? It was “the father of my dreams, the man in my mother’s stories, full of high-blown ideals ..” (p. 278) What is more, Obama tells us that, “It was into my father’s image .. that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself.” And also that, “I did feel that there was something to prove .. to my father” in his efforts at political organizing. (p. 230)
Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:
1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)
2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)
3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)
4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of “African Socialism” negatively with the well-defined ideology of “scientific socialism”, i.e. communism. Obama views “African Socialism” pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only “a little” from the capitalist system. (p. 26)
5. Obama advocates an “active” rather than a “passive” program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) “While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. ” (pp. 29-30)
6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)
7. Obama advocates government owned and operated “model farms” as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)
8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a “non-aligned” status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)
There are more but hopefully you get the point...A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday, November 03, 2007
Barack Obama explains socialism
Four thousand supporters turned out for a rally with Senator Barack Obama in Durham, North Carolina, on Thursday. The Democratic presidential candidate said he would not take any questions, but he relented when a five-year-old girl named Hadassah Jones broke into tears. She was there as a correspondent for brandnewz.com.
According to the Associated Press story, Senator Obama gave the little girl a brief explanation of his plan for universal health insurance coverage and improved education. Then he explained his view that the wealthy should pay the expenses of people who are not wealthy:
"We've got to make sure that people who have more money help the people who have less money," Sen. Obama said. "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, would you give him a slice?"
Oh, my. He should have stuck to his plan to take no questions.
Senator Obama glossed right over the difference between a moral imperative to be kind to people and government force that throws people in jail if they refuse to pay up.
When a presidential candidate says "We've got to make sure," that is the language of government force.
Maybe the senator should have explained it to Hadassah this way:
"If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, should you be expelled from school if you refuse to give him a slice?"
Or maybe he should have explained it this way:
"If your mommy and daddy worked very hard at their jobs and went to school at night so they could make enough money to give you everything you need, should they have to give that money to all the parents who dropped out of school and wasted their time, and to all the parents who spent their money on things that your parents passed up so they could support you?"
Or maybe he could have explained it this way:
"If you build a lemonade stand and buy lemons and sugar and pitchers and cups and stand out in the hot sun all day selling lemonade, and at the end of the day you have fifteen dollars, whose money is that? Is the answer the same if it's only two dollars? What if it's fifty dollars?"
This is not an argument over giving away a slice of pizza. This is an argument about the morality of collectivism. When Senator Obama, and almost all other politicians, make their arguments for fairness and compassion, they are advocating not voluntary charitable giving, but government confiscation of some people's property for the benefit of other people, chosen by the government on the basis of need, or perhaps voting record.
Do the fruits of your labor belong to you, or do they belong to the people who most need them?
And if they belong to the people who most need them, are you a slave to the needs of people you don't know and can't control?
Collectivism is not the opposite of capitalism. It's the opposite of freedom.
Even a five-year-old should know that.
Another article:
There’s a big mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college? Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school? Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of “the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm”, in college? Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?
If there is a mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father, one thing is not left a mystery, the fact that Barack Obama organized his life on the ideals given to him by his Kenyan father. Obama tells us, “All of my life, I carried a single image of my father, one that I .. tried to take as my own.” (p. 220) And what was that image? It was “the father of my dreams, the man in my mother’s stories, full of high-blown ideals ..” (p. 278) What is more, Obama tells us that, “It was into my father’s image .. that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself.” And also that, “I did feel that there was something to prove .. to my father” in his efforts at political organizing. (p. 230)
Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:
1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)
2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)
3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)
4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of “African Socialism” negatively with the well-defined ideology of “scientific socialism”, i.e. communism. Obama views “African Socialism” pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only “a little” from the capitalist system. (p. 26)
5. Obama advocates an “active” rather than a “passive” program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) “While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. ” (pp. 29-30)
6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)
7. Obama advocates government owned and operated “model farms” as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)
8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a “non-aligned” status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)
There are more but hopefully you get the point...A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When comparing the experience factor let's just say that Palin and Obama are even and inexperienced. Those that say Palin is not ready are also saying the Obama is. At least palin will get an apprentice session if McCain kicks off where Obama goes in with absolutely no experience unless you consider his learning to vote present rather than actually taking a stand experience. All the experience Obama has is running for President for the last four years. At least Palin has been in the Govenors Mansion for a couple of years without the benefit of being able to vote present.
Why Women Voters will...
I have watched politics for a long time. This election season has been very interesting indeed. It has been shown that blacks will vote for blacks (92% for Obama) while assuring us "it's not about race". It has long been known that men will vote for men. Perhaps this is the year that women decide to vote for a woman.
The democratic party has made it abundantly clear that they don't give a rats behind about women voters. McCain has seized upon this democratic blunder and picked a woman who is clearly more qualified than GW Bush was and pretty much as well qualified as Obama on foreign relations. I think it is clearly a brilliant and well-timed move.
Many women who backed Hillary have left the democratic party feeling that they have been victims of friendly fire. They feel as if their own have betrayed them. They feel the same way about the rampant hostility the press showered on Hillary. They expect Republicans not to like Hillary but for the Democratic party to abandon her during her race for the nomination is obscene.
Mark my words,they WILL vote for McCain and Palin despite the abortion issue. They have had it with empty talk, and that is what they experienced with Dean and Pelosi et al.
I have watched politics for a long time. This election season has been very interesting indeed. It has been shown that blacks will vote for blacks (92% for Obama) while assuring us "it's not about race". It has long been known that men will vote for men. Perhaps this is the year that women decide to vote for a woman.
The democratic party has made it abundantly clear that they don't give a rats behind about women voters. McCain has seized upon this democratic blunder and picked a woman who is clearly more qualified than GW Bush was and pretty much as well qualified as Obama on foreign relations. I think it is clearly a brilliant and well-timed move.
Many women who backed Hillary have left the democratic party feeling that they have been victims of friendly fire. They feel as if their own have betrayed them. They feel the same way about the rampant hostility the press showered on Hillary. They expect Republicans not to like Hillary but for the Democratic party to abandon her during her race for the nomination is obscene.
Mark my words,they WILL vote for McCain and Palin despite the abortion issue. They have had it with empty talk, and that is what they experienced with Dean and Pelosi et al.
Master Blaster
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The thing that is important about Palin is that she is a REAL person.
She has been to the grocery store and the gas station recently, she has given birth to and raised 5 children.
She has a clue about the real world normal people live in.
The other three nominees dont have that experience any time recently.
They are millionaires and political insiders.
Normal people will be able to identify with her.
That means she will get McCain votes.
She has been to the grocery store and the gas station recently, she has given birth to and raised 5 children.
She has a clue about the real world normal people live in.
The other three nominees dont have that experience any time recently.
They are millionaires and political insiders.
Normal people will be able to identify with her.
That means she will get McCain votes.
America goes nuts every few cycles and elects a loon from the left. This is usually because they are sick of the Republican's 'establishment politics', etc. The fact is that there are still lots of hippies left (although most of them have grandchildren now) and these folks are the stock & trade of the Democrat party. A Clinton or Carter comes along, and viola- we have a Democrat president. This is a situation we usually soon regret.
The Republicans learned to capitalize on this and they cleaned house in '80 and again in '94. They also earned the ass-kicking they got in 2006 and the public exposure of several their more perverted/corrupt members, cost them any 'moral high ground' they might have gained in the post-Clinton years. In fact , the party has wussed-out to the point that it stands for practically nothing. Add to this the growing adversity to The War, and in 2008 you have the 'perfect storm' for a total Democrat takeover of America.
Except for one thing. Obama scares the socks off normal old salt-of-the-earth folks and it has nothing to do with his color, which like the rest of him is nearly impossible to define. I would vote for a Walter Williams or JC Watts so fast it would make your head swim- and I've got a Confederate Flag License Plate which the family bought me on a trip through Alabama
No, it is Obama's past radical positions and associations which normal folks abhor. We're not talking 'youthful indiscretions' here, either. We are talking the intentional aligning of oneself with anti-American factions- cop-killers, racists and admitted bombers of government buildings -for the express purpose of furthering his political career. This worked a little better than even Obama might have anticipated, at least within the kook-fringe of the Democrat party. With apologies to my Southern, Truman, and 'salt-of-the-earth' Democrat friends- I am sad to say that the kooks are now running your party.
So now Obama is catapulted onto the national stage, resplendent in his TV preacher oratory and with all the free advertising and fawning that the mainstream media can muster. The loons are ecstatic and people of color are rightfully overjoyed that they have finally have a team in the Super Bowl. The problem for the rest of us is that your QB has a history of downing the ball when things get scary, or just throwing it to the other team when it suits his purposes. And in a world at war, the 'other team' wants to bomb and burn 3000 of us to death in public buildings on US soil, cut your head off, or convert you to Islam at the point of a sword.
There will never be a time when we want an Anti-American sympathizer as president.
McCain isn't a good enough conservative to scare 'salt-of-the earth' Democrats; hell, McCain practically is a Truman Democrat. McCain just cares us normal, gun-owning libertarians and conservatives. Sarah Palin is a sharp, 100% pro-gun, Reagan-esque progressive conservative, who is also the worst nightmare of government waste and corruption. She is much loved by the good people of Alaska and her willingness to sacrifice time away from that paradise, in service of her country, speaks well of this lady's sincere belief in public service. She is exactly the tempering element that a McCain presidency needs, to make it palatable for freedom loving individuals and gun owners. If McCain thinks he picked himself a 'yes woman' in Sarah Palin, I believe he will have been sadly mistaken.
And that is the attraction of this ticket. McCain for the military folks, moderate Democrats and Republicans alike, and Palin for the libertarians, the ladies, the gun owners and the Reagan conservatives.
Against that, an Obama-Biden ticket don't stand a chance. There simply aren't enough kooks and radicals to elect them.
Thank you, Lord. God bless America.
The Republicans learned to capitalize on this and they cleaned house in '80 and again in '94. They also earned the ass-kicking they got in 2006 and the public exposure of several their more perverted/corrupt members, cost them any 'moral high ground' they might have gained in the post-Clinton years. In fact , the party has wussed-out to the point that it stands for practically nothing. Add to this the growing adversity to The War, and in 2008 you have the 'perfect storm' for a total Democrat takeover of America.
Except for one thing. Obama scares the socks off normal old salt-of-the-earth folks and it has nothing to do with his color, which like the rest of him is nearly impossible to define. I would vote for a Walter Williams or JC Watts so fast it would make your head swim- and I've got a Confederate Flag License Plate which the family bought me on a trip through Alabama
No, it is Obama's past radical positions and associations which normal folks abhor. We're not talking 'youthful indiscretions' here, either. We are talking the intentional aligning of oneself with anti-American factions- cop-killers, racists and admitted bombers of government buildings -for the express purpose of furthering his political career. This worked a little better than even Obama might have anticipated, at least within the kook-fringe of the Democrat party. With apologies to my Southern, Truman, and 'salt-of-the-earth' Democrat friends- I am sad to say that the kooks are now running your party.
So now Obama is catapulted onto the national stage, resplendent in his TV preacher oratory and with all the free advertising and fawning that the mainstream media can muster. The loons are ecstatic and people of color are rightfully overjoyed that they have finally have a team in the Super Bowl. The problem for the rest of us is that your QB has a history of downing the ball when things get scary, or just throwing it to the other team when it suits his purposes. And in a world at war, the 'other team' wants to bomb and burn 3000 of us to death in public buildings on US soil, cut your head off, or convert you to Islam at the point of a sword.
There will never be a time when we want an Anti-American sympathizer as president.
McCain isn't a good enough conservative to scare 'salt-of-the earth' Democrats; hell, McCain practically is a Truman Democrat. McCain just cares us normal, gun-owning libertarians and conservatives. Sarah Palin is a sharp, 100% pro-gun, Reagan-esque progressive conservative, who is also the worst nightmare of government waste and corruption. She is much loved by the good people of Alaska and her willingness to sacrifice time away from that paradise, in service of her country, speaks well of this lady's sincere belief in public service. She is exactly the tempering element that a McCain presidency needs, to make it palatable for freedom loving individuals and gun owners. If McCain thinks he picked himself a 'yes woman' in Sarah Palin, I believe he will have been sadly mistaken.
And that is the attraction of this ticket. McCain for the military folks, moderate Democrats and Republicans alike, and Palin for the libertarians, the ladies, the gun owners and the Reagan conservatives.
Against that, an Obama-Biden ticket don't stand a chance. There simply aren't enough kooks and radicals to elect them.
Thank you, Lord. God bless America.
Yesterday, Obama Campaign spokesman Bill Burton said:
I suspect the "experience" topic will die away quickly. This is political judo at its best. McCain already knows the experience issue has been played to its full extent. If the Obama Campaign keeps hitting Palin over it, they will only bring more harsh light on Obama's lesser amount of experience. As in judo, their own weight will be used against them.
I expect the Obama Campaign and its supporters will quickly turn to gender profiling, saying that Palin isn't like real-life, everyday women (just like Justice Thomas wasn't like real-life, everday blacks). This tactic will likely backfire because it will be difficult to do. Among other things, it will be too easy to respond that today's DNC essentially considers a woman on the ticket as being an irresponsible act. After all, the Dems didn't select Hillary as their candidate (the superdelegates could have done so, since selecting someone who didn't get the most votes is one of their reasons for existence), Obama didn't put her on the ticket as his VP, and his campaign didn't even vet her.
The selection of Palin has not only galvinized and energized the Republican Party, it has also brought into stark relief the extraordinary weakness of the Dem ticket. Essentially, it has blown a gaping hole in the side of the S.S. Obama.
Palin has more public sector and executive experience than Obama does. If McCain was irresponsible for putting Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency, the DNC was downright criminal in putting Obama as THE heartbeat of the presidency.
I suspect the "experience" topic will die away quickly. This is political judo at its best. McCain already knows the experience issue has been played to its full extent. If the Obama Campaign keeps hitting Palin over it, they will only bring more harsh light on Obama's lesser amount of experience. As in judo, their own weight will be used against them.
I expect the Obama Campaign and its supporters will quickly turn to gender profiling, saying that Palin isn't like real-life, everyday women (just like Justice Thomas wasn't like real-life, everday blacks). This tactic will likely backfire because it will be difficult to do. Among other things, it will be too easy to respond that today's DNC essentially considers a woman on the ticket as being an irresponsible act. After all, the Dems didn't select Hillary as their candidate (the superdelegates could have done so, since selecting someone who didn't get the most votes is one of their reasons for existence), Obama didn't put her on the ticket as his VP, and his campaign didn't even vet her.
The selection of Palin has not only galvinized and energized the Republican Party, it has also brought into stark relief the extraordinary weakness of the Dem ticket. Essentially, it has blown a gaping hole in the side of the S.S. Obama.
The secular crusaders are already on the march, tarring Palin with being against women for opposing Roe v. Wade and believing that Man and Barney shared the earth six thousand years ago.
Now if we really want to talk about "pseudo-science" we can begin with global warming and then promptly segue into the vogueish Marxism that has ruled the academic jungles for untold decades...
Now if we really want to talk about "pseudo-science" we can begin with global warming and then promptly segue into the vogueish Marxism that has ruled the academic jungles for untold decades...
johnsonrlp
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From People
Sen. McCain, of all the candidates you considered, what drew you to her?
JOHN: Obviously, I found her to be very intelligent and very well-versed on the issues. But I think the important thing was that she's a reformer. She's taken on special interests since she ran for the PTA and the city council and mayor. The courage, I guess, is what most impressed me.
Sen. McCain, of all the candidates you considered, what drew you to her?
JOHN: Obviously, I found her to be very intelligent and very well-versed on the issues. But I think the important thing was that she's a reformer. She's taken on special interests since she ran for the PTA and the city council and mayor. The courage, I guess, is what most impressed me.
interesting article that shows different sides and thoughts..I personally dont think this was the best chocie for VP available to him...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/30/1310137.aspx
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/30/1310137.aspx
Let me see if I have this straight: Palin is a gamble, but Obama - who has less political and executive experience than Palin - isn't?
Palin may become president if McCain gets elected. Obama will become president if Obama gets elected. Seems to me the DNC has taken the far bigger gamble by throwing away the dice and leaping at a lottery ticket.
LightningJoe
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Palin cranked out five kids and shoots big animals. That's experience, ain't it?
Obama wrote two autobiographies and helped a terrorist screw up various "community programs" or whatever.
Get real. Like there's even a comparison. Around here, we would all gape at Obama like an alien. Where the hell did this guy come from? Palin would be a deaconess or something. Who should I vote for? The alien or the lady who seems real?
Obama wrote two autobiographies and helped a terrorist screw up various "community programs" or whatever.
Get real. Like there's even a comparison. Around here, we would all gape at Obama like an alien. Where the hell did this guy come from? Palin would be a deaconess or something. Who should I vote for? The alien or the lady who seems real?
Liberal: You cheated!!! You picked Palin because she is a woman and we picked Obama [redacted] and scorned Hillary!!!
Conservative: Did you ever think that Sarah Palin was picked because of her social and fiscal and conservative beliefs and that she has more real government / management experience than your two guys combined and being a woman had nothing to do with it?
Liberal: It is not fair. You cheated.
Conservative: Sucks to be you.
May God Bless America
ETA: IF you can't (OR won't) get Obama's name correct, quit posting in L&P. PERIOD - Antipitas
Conservative: Did you ever think that Sarah Palin was picked because of her social and fiscal and conservative beliefs and that she has more real government / management experience than your two guys combined and being a woman had nothing to do with it?
Liberal: It is not fair. You cheated.
Conservative: Sucks to be you.
May God Bless America
ETA: IF you can't (OR won't) get Obama's name correct, quit posting in L&P. PERIOD - Antipitas
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