Kevin Rohrer
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As you don't want to buy a 1911, I suggest the Sig P220, especially the SAO.
Looking for a 45 acp that's reliable out of the box
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I've owned a lot of .45 guns, haven't had a 1911 in close to 40 years and I doubt I will ever own another one. Bad memories, both of mine and of friend's 1911's being "1911ish".
But I've had great luck with:
EAA Witness .45
Sar K2 45
S&W 4506
Sig P220
CZ 97. (Had to have some work done to be reliable on HP ammo, the 4 above ate anything) I still have the other ones, the 97 went away when I needed cash.
But I've had great luck with:
EAA Witness .45
Sar K2 45
S&W 4506
Sig P220
CZ 97. (Had to have some work done to be reliable on HP ammo, the 4 above ate anything) I still have the other ones, the 97 went away when I needed cash.
peacefulgary
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Every Glock and every Springfield XD that I have ever had fired 100% right out of the box.
Spot on. Rails are for trains…and “operators” with certain skills.
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I put lights on my rails. That way I have a means to use the pistol with a light if I only have one hand available. I don’t consider it operating though.
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I use a WML on my primary home defense pistol, but it’s not a 1911. For me, rails detract from the 1911’s lines. It’s more aesthetically pleasing without for me.
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Should you choose to give Glock a go.
Unless you have size large and up mitts, go with the SF model. The short frame is comfortable, double stack .45 makes for a large grip.
That's not so hot for folks like me anyway.
The Glock standard frame .45 and 10mm are just to darn big for a lotta folks.
Unless you have size large and up mitts, go with the SF model. The short frame is comfortable, double stack .45 makes for a large grip.
That's not so hot for folks like me anyway.
The Glock standard frame .45 and 10mm are just to darn big for a lotta folks.
The M&P is NOT a 1911. Perhaps I misunderstood you.
The M&P45 is a very good pistol, superior to the Glock 21 & 30 IMHO, and at a better price point than H&K.
But I don't know how hard they are to find now.
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Cowboyfromhell
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Sig p220
Hk usp
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Springfield XD or XDM Series. I personally carry a XDM 3.8 in .45. Zero malfunctions in probably 2k rounds. When I first bought it (used) I put 300 rounds of dirty Monarch (PPU for those of you who don't know what Academy is) through it before cleaning it to see if it would malfunction without oil. It ran flawless. I carry Golden Saber 230gr and it runs great with it.
Zero malfunctions in any other XD or XDM I've ever shot. I have a Glock 22 that will jam on the first round when the mag is fully loaded and one in the chamber FWIW.
I would second a Sig P220. I've only shot a few boxes through it but it always runs great.
Zero malfunctions in any other XD or XDM I've ever shot. I have a Glock 22 that will jam on the first round when the mag is fully loaded and one in the chamber FWIW.
I would second a Sig P220. I've only shot a few boxes through it but it always runs great.
Nakanokalronin
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After owning 20+ 1911s from over eight different manufactures in three different model sizes and using at least seven different brands of magazines in them, I call this statement untrue. I never did any work on my 1911s until after I hit 500 rounds and I only added parts that I preferred or that were completely cosmetic like grips.
I had one single 1911 malfunction on me and that was a PT1911. THAT particular 1911 was a piece of junk from top to bottom. The bluing came off like it was applied with a sharpie, it would occasionally double feed, it jammed 100% of the time with any hollow point ammo and 50% of the time with ball ammo no matter what brand of magazine I used, the front frame checkering was easily damaged like it was made out of aluminum foil and the right side safety lever fell off during the first range trip. After I got that garbage back from Taurus I took it to the local gun shop to get rid of it.
highpower3006
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Sounds like the typical internet FUD.
I have had a bunch of 1911's in the past and still have over a dozen of them. All have worked reasonably well with the only real problems appearing in a couple that had bad recoil springs, a very easy fix. Heck even my 1914 vintage Springfield Armory 1911 that spent many years at the bottom of a lake is reliable.
Nowadays you can buy a semi custom 1911 over the counter that will have all the mods that you used to have to pay a pistol smith to do.
But.......... hands down, the most reliable .45 I have that will absolutely digest anything I put through it without any hiccups, is a HK USP .45
sigarms228
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I vote HK45.
Here is Todd Green's 50,000 round test on it. Too bad they don't do tests like this anymore. Seems all we get are 200 round infomercial social media events where manufacturer sends gun and ammo to "reviewer".
A few highlights.
http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027
Here is Todd Green's 50,000 round test on it. Too bad they don't do tests like this anymore. Seems all we get are 200 round infomercial social media events where manufacturer sends gun and ammo to "reviewer".
A few highlights.
http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027
Not many people do the kind of round count Todd Green did. Those kind of reviews are both rare and arguably of less importance to most people (while it’s nice to know a pistol can do that round count, if the average person never puts more than 2000 rd through a pistol does it matter if it can go 50000?). For that matter 50,000 rd of 45 ACP has never been cheap, and these days you’d need a second mortgage /sarcasm. All that said, I agree the HK45 is an impressive pistol. I regret selling my 45c.
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101combatvet
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What isn't reliable out of the box?
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