Just What Is Buckshot?

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RMcL

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Shotgun slugs hve been defined for generations (since the 1890s) as a full bore weight forward soft lead designs that were safe and reasonably accurate in choke bore shotguns. Along came BRI and sabot slugs, followed closely by rifled "shotgun" bores. Today there are dozens of accurate slug designs from sleek pointed bullets in sabot designs moving 1900+ fps to full bore hard lead 800+ grain slugs suitable for defense against the great bears. These are all accepted under the same regulations put in place when the only american slugs were soft lead thimbles barely accurate enough for a 65 yard shot. Today those long established slug standards are virtually forgotten.

In the same light, great strides have been made in buckshot ammunition. Nineteen sixty three saw a giant leap to tighter patterns with the introduction of granulated buffer, shot collars and a reduction in traditional buckshot pellet diameters. The early 1980s introduced shot cups and spiral pellet stacking for better buckshot pattern response to choke. These along with specialty choke tubes doubled the effective buckshot range. Just past the start of the 21st century air braking wad technology gave the cylinder and improved cylinder bore LE shotguns tight controled patterns for the first time. Heavier than lead non-toxic shot developments for waterfowl were extended to buckshot for greater penetration. The same wad technologies and powder developments that allowed ultra hard non-toxic shot use also opened a door to larger pellets and tighter patterning buckshot loads than ever before.

The acceptance of improvements in archery, muzzleloader, handgun and shotgun slug technology are not even given a second thought today.
 
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dahermit

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In the same light, great strides have been made in buckshot ammunition. Nineteen sixty three saw a giant leap to tighter patterns with the introduction of granulated buffer, shot collars and a reduction in traditional buckshot pellet diameters. (1)The early 1980s introduced shot cups and spiral pellet stacking for better buckshot pattern response to choke. (2)This along with specialty choke tubes doubled the effective buckshot range. Just past the start of the 21st century air braking wad technology gave the cylinder and improved cylinder bore LE shotguns tight controled patterns for the first time. Heavier than lead non-toxic shot developments for waterfowl were extended to buckshot for greater penetration. (3)The same wad technologies and powder developments that allowed ultra hard non-toxic shot use also opened a door to larger pellets and tighter patterning buckshot loads than ever before.
(1)What "...reduction in traditional buckshot pellet diameters...", was made? Link please.
(2)How about a link for this one: "...doubled the effective buckshot range..." Doubled the effective range???
(3) How did "... The same wad technologies and powder developments that allowed ultra hard non-toxic shot use also opened a door to larger pellets and tighter patterning buckshot loads than ever before...", result in "larger pellets? A link for this also please. It seems, according to you, the buckshot pellets got smaller, now they have gotten bigger? come now, double-ought is still double-ought. Number four buck is still number four at .24 of an inch. The sizes have not changed.
 

RMcL

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dahermit,

1) The 1963 introduction of the Winchester Mark V collar to prevent bore scrub reduced the inside diameter of the hull. So as reported by Jack O'Connor in The Shotgun Book 1970 printing, page 303:

00B was reduced from .330 to .323
#1B was reduced from .298 to .289
#4B was reduced from .240 to .233

Recently the size of current Federal brand 00B and #1B were noted at .323"/50 grains and .286"/33grains, respectively. See:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm

2) In the same tome O'Connor reports his pattern tests indicated, with a given shotgun barrel, the effective range would be extended from 30 to 50%.

Federal introduced its Premium line of buckshot in 1984, advertising patterns under 15 inches at 40 yards from full choke shotguns Federal Hunter's Journal 1986. This level of performance was confirmed in my own pattern testing.

3) Steel shot wads introduced high capacity, static, thick wall wads to the market. This in turn led to the development of the Dixie Tri-Ball buckshot round by Dixie Slugs co. This buckshot load contains three 320 grain, hard cast, .60" pellets, buffered and contained in a steel shot type wad. I have personally fired many patterns with this load measuring under 5 inches at 40 yards with some less than 3 inches from a Remington 870 Express with a Briley extended full choke tube.

The images attached show a 40 yard Tri-Ball pattern on an 8" bullseye target and a comparison shot of Dixie Tri-Ball pellets next to an equivalent weight of 00B.
 

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.45 COLT

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(1)What "...reduction in traditional buckshot pellet diameters...", was made? Link please.
Go to the SAAMI website and you can download their book of shotgun standards (as well as a whole lot of other stuff).

The standard sizes have not been reduced. 00 is still defined as 0.330" diameter. The way the manufacturers get away with calling their loads "00 Buckshot", while selling shot as small as 0.317" (or even smaller) is the tolerances accepted by SAAMI.

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RMcL

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SAAMI Voluntary Standards

Buckshot: Nominal diameter + 0.015"

00B: Nominal .33" may run .315" to .345" -1 pellet tolerance

#1B: Nominal .30" may run .285" to .315" -2 pellet tolerance
 
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RMcL

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dahermit,

I can see how the phrasing made it seem improbable.

I also see that Michigan's hunting regulations trust the shotgun deer hunter to make an informed choice of buckshot or slug loads.

Just this past year, Alabama hunting regulations opened the "stalk only" season to buckshot use. Previously buckshot had been restricted to the "dog or stalk" portion of the deer season
 

TxGun

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Yes, virtually all ammunition of any caliber or gauge you choose to name has been improved by modern technology. That is pretty much a given to begin with. And there has always been some variances in the actual sizes of shot, including buckshot, between manufacturers and within gauge...i.e., Federal 00 Buck would rarely be the exact same size as Remington 00 Buck. It's the nature of the beast. In fact, actual shot sizes within a given shotshell will typically vary a few 10/1000's...probably less now with modern production techniques than in the past....but they do vary. That's really not news either. The point is, these variances are generally minimal and within an acceptable range.
 
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RMcL

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Indeed there are tolerances + for all products.

The point in mentioning what is essentially a step down from traditional 00B size to traditional 0B size is that smaller pellets are now the norm for U.S. made high performance small pellet buckshot (ie 000, 00, 1). It is part of the price paid for pattern performance.

Advertised 00B diameters for European ammunition run from .29" to .34".
 
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RMcL

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Here is an example of how effective even 20 gauge buckshot can be:

Go over to YouTube and enter the following:

BONF: Deer Hunt in North Florida 8 Point Buck .

This is an interesting video of a Florida buck taken from a tree stand with 20 gauge Federal #2B (18 pellet .27 caliber) . At 3.26 on the video, the pellet strike can be clearly seen. This video also shows the type of close cover that is normal for the coastal South.
 
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RMcL

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Here is another buckshot hunting video, this one from North Carolina. This buck was taken with 3" Federal Flite-Control 00B from a full choke Beretta. The wad was recovered next to the deer. This buck went down with all four hooves in the air. The shot takes place just after frame 3.54 and the FliteControl wad is recovered at 6.42:


Go to YouTube and paste the title:

My 3rd deer (self filmed) small 6 point .


This raises the question: Why are there virtually no "hunting channel" shows with shotguns and buckshot used as the "method of take?"
 
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RMcL

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Direct links to previously mentioned video:


My 3rd deer (self filmed) small 6 point

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhfZtytEYO8

BONF: Deer Hunt in North Florida 8 Point Buck
Taken with #2B from a 20 gauge

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvDMN4PlcZA




Here is another video, this time in Virginia, where a doe and a buck are taken from the same blind in just a few minutes. A Remington Express shotgun was used with 3" Remington 00B. It is hard to judge the distance, but both deer dropped in their tracks. The hunter obviously waited until the deer were within range. See this at 2:00 and 4:27 in the video:



Deer Hunting - Doe and 8 point Buck Kill...less than five minutes apart.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY1J1t-SoXk
 
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RMcL

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Why are there virtually no "hunting channel" deer hunting shows with shotguns and buckshot used as the method of take?
 

RMcL

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The times they are a changin'

It was not that long ago that a post on buckshot for deer hunting would result in an avalanche of negative comments. Apparently hunters are learning that today's best buckshot technology works far better than any would have imagined.

Your comments are welcome.
 

hogdogs

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Has this discussion changed your views on buckshot?

Not mine... I was 5 years old when I was told of the effectiveness of Buckshot and by 8 I had all the first hand proof I needed... Every thing I have done with Buckshot since has just tempered my opinion further...;):D

Since I am now out of #3 Buck for my 20 gauge guns, they are loaded with slugs... Too bad I was broke when Walmart had their 15 count boxes in stock... I doubt they will re-order more at this point of the deer season here...

Brent
 
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