I'm curious about mixing Martial Arts with Guns.

[Rojack79]

Dryfiring is a very common factor in unintentional discharges.

Here's how to dry-fire safely.

https://www.corneredcat.com/article/practice-time/dry-fire-safety/

If you can follow all the recommendations in that article and still do what you plan to do, then you should be ok.

If you can't follow all the recommendations in the article while doing what you plan to do, then you should put additional safety measures in place.

Alright, thank you. I will be looking at this in the morning when I'm fully awake and able to read it properly.

 

[Rojack79]

You get it or you don't. Its a waste of my time to argue farther.

It peaves me when people come and ask for feedback when what they really want is blessing something I will not bless

And then they want to argue.

OK,I'll point out a critical flaw in your thinking. When dry firing, do you use your dog or your neighbor's window for a direction to point your muzzle? No?
So you use a redundant layer of safety by pointing in a safe direction? The basement wall,maybe? A lot like pointing down range during live fire?

Now,as you play Bruce Lee or Jean Claude, where is your muzzle pointed? Where is your focused awareness?

The difference is, when I dry fire, I CAN assume the gun is loaded,because if it was,if it went "BANG" the gun would be pointed in a safe direction ,I know where my bullet would stop,and no one would get hurt.

When you put on the music and do your "Kata dances with guns" can you say the gun is always pointed in a safe direction?

NOW! Why do you (Like Baldwin) reject the idea of an alternative to a real gun?

Don't bother to answer,because it BS, I'm done wasting my time.

Ok I can understand, you get it or you don't, if you're a normal person who doesn't have a learning disability. I do, and while I can understand some things people here have said, I can't understand absolutely everything, without a little bit more explanation other than,

You're going to blow your toes off.

It's not helpful to say that when I already know the dangers of owning a firearm, I'm not Baldwin, I actually do care what my gun is aiming at and I'm not dumb enough to try and say my finger wasn't on the trigger when it clearly was the only way for a gun to go off.

Now I don't REJECT the idea of getting a fake gun, heck I even mentioned I have a BB gun I'd be willing to use. My issue is I literally can't go out and buy a fake plastic gun at the moment, that's it. Money, that's all I need to go buy a plastic gun. I'm stubborn but not stupid.

 

[Rojack79]

Someone is around. You. Injuring yourself would likely impact others, people that care about you. In addition to that, if there are people within gunshot of your home then mistaken dry fire could see someone else injured.

I have had a negligent discharge while dry firing. Can dry fire be done safely and do I still do it? Yes. Can it also have serious repercussions? Yes.

I think the device mentioned in the article John linked makes sense. I would add that for what you are doing you don’t need a functioning firearm. When I dry fire I do so in part because I am able to feel the trigger on my firearm as I would during live fire; that feedback is important. From what you’ve described I don’t see that as necessary. A blue gun or airsoft pistol would likely be fine. The latter has some advantages in terms of allowing an actual trigger pull and perhaps seeing where a round might impact (airsoft can cause injuries to eyes and other areas so exercise some caution). I make it a habit not to handle firearms unnecessarily, and since I don’t see it as necessary here I wouldn’t do it.

Thank you. I'm definitely going to give the video a look and go through it a few times to make sure I understand everything and can do all of what it suggests to make sure I'm as safe as possible. Haven't watched it yet but it's too early for me to be awake so I need to head back to bed.

And I can definitely agree, if it's not necessary then don't do something. For me I feel like it would be necessary to understand a few things,

1. How does it feel to do my normal martial arts with the extra weight of the gun on my leg, because these things do weigh quite a bit and they can, maybe not to a big extent, but that extra weight can throw some people off id think, so I'd like to train to get used to that.

2. In a high stress situation I'm going to fall back on my training, and that for me is my martial arts to create space so I can pull my gun but that isn't always going to be viable. No fight, especially a street fight is entirely predictable, so I like to train for different situations like what if I need to get my gun out while pinned to the ground or other situations.

3. I always here train like you fight and I just don't see the point in not training up my skills to be able to handle any situation I could feesibly come across and I see martial arts and guns being a useful skill, I just don't have access to people teaching Krav Maga or Systems, both martial arts that incorporate pistols and other firearms into their routines.

 

[TunnelRat]

For 1 and 2 those can be done with a blue gun or airsoft pistol. Blue guns do have weight, they’re solid plastic, and it will give you some idea of what an awkward lump on your hip will feel like. They also are made accurately so that they will fit and work in holsters, so you can absolutely do the training you’re describing.

For 3, yes train like you fight, but there’s a limit. We make exceptions when safety is concerned. I have taken a lot of training courses when it comes to firearms. I have never had anyone shoot at me with live ammunition in those courses. Why not, that’s how I would fight? Because sometimes you reach a point where what might be gained from the additional change isn’t worth the associated risk.

Now what I used is an extreme example, but there are lots of other examples. I once watched an instructor almost have a negligent discharge because he was trying to holster his pistol without taking his eyes off the threat. This was back when looking at the holster while holstering was considered bad. It was raining so we were wearing coats and he got his coat stuck in his holster as he was seating the pistol. He spent seconds basically fishing around his holster rather than look, and came close to a ND. Nowadays looking a pistol into a holster isn’t perceived nearly as negatively, no doubt in part because people in training were injuring themselves.

 

[Rojack79]

For 1 and 2 those can be done with a blue gun or airsoft pistol. Blue guns do have weight, they’re solid plastic, and it will give you some idea of what an awkward lump on your hip will feel like. They also are made accurately so that they will fit and work in holsters, so you can absolutely do the training you’re describing.

For 3, yes train like you fight, but there’s a limit. We make exceptions when safety is concerned. I have taken a lot of training courses when it comes to firearms. I have never had anyone shoot at me with live ammunition in those courses. Why not, that’s how I would fight? Because sometimes you reach a point where what might be gained from the additional change isn’t worth the associated risk.

Now what I used is an extreme example, but there are lots of other examples. I once watched an instructor almost have a negligent discharge because he was trying to holster his pistol without taking his eyes off the threat. This was back when looking at the holster while holstering was considered bad. It was raining so we were wearing coats and he got his coat stuck in his holster as he was seating the pistol. He spent seconds basically fishing around his holster rather than look, and came close to a ND. Nowadays looking a pistol into a holster isn’t perceived nearly as negatively, no doubt in part because people in training were injuring themselves.

I was wondering why he had ammunition in his gun but then I thought about it, I'm guessing you guys were at a range? And yikes, people injuring themselves just because they don't look is honestly scary.

And yes I'd say 3 is an extreme example but that's the main reason I'm super cautious and stingy about making sure my gun is always unloaded. I was the same way with my revolvers and I'm doubly so with my auto loaders. Heck I even find myself triple checking them, I'll even take out the magazine and not even put it in the gun, even if there's no ammunition in it.

 

[Rojack79]

Dryfiring is a very common factor in unintentional discharges.

Here's how to dry-fire safely.

https://www.corneredcat.com/article/practice-time/dry-fire-safety/

If you can follow all the recommendations in that article and still do what you plan to do, then you should be ok.

If you can't follow all the recommendations in the article while doing what you plan to do, then you should put additional safety measures in place.

Ok I looked at this, it's not a video like I first thought but boy is it full of great advice. And a Barrel blocker is an amazingly ingenious idea. I'm going to see if I can find one ASAP because that is just what I need to help make sure I never have a ND. Thank you immensely for this information, I now always have the link on my phone's home screen and I plan on consulting it whenever I plan on doing anything with my firearm so I can train up even more of these good habits.

 

[Skans]

The short answer is "yes". The gun is just another extension of fighting. I have trained martial arts and spent some time incorporating a firearm. A lot of it comes down to knowing when to deploy your weapon, and what measures you need to take before you've created enough distance between you and the attacker to come out of concealment and shoot.

 

[Rojack79]

The short answer is "yes". The gun is just another extension of fighting. I have trained martial arts and spent some time incorporating a firearm. A lot of it comes down to knowing when to deploy your weapon, and what measures you need to take before you've created enough distance between you and the attacker to come out of concealment and shoot.

Ahh now see that's is interesting and that's actually pretty much what I was thinking of practicing actually, how to make space between you and your attacker so you have time to pull your gun. Granted I don't want to do this with a sparring partner, safety reasons trump my personal training honestly. But now I'm curious what you're long explanation would be.