How Do You Evaluate What's Necessary For EDC
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Everybody has to evaluate their needs based on a realistic evaluation of the potential threats they might face.
I do very much worry about the security of off body carry, like carrying any kind of gun in a backpack. Or having a "truck gun" in preparation for response to an active shooter situation or a riot, and having that stored unsecured in the cab of a pickup or in the interior of an SUV where it might be stolen simply by smashing a window.
In the city where I live, there have been 87 firearms stolen from vehicles this year. The PD just made an announcement about that on their Facebook page.
I do very much worry about the security of off body carry, like carrying any kind of gun in a backpack. Or having a "truck gun" in preparation for response to an active shooter situation or a riot, and having that stored unsecured in the cab of a pickup or in the interior of an SUV where it might be stolen simply by smashing a window.
In the city where I live, there have been 87 firearms stolen from vehicles this year. The PD just made an announcement about that on their Facebook page.
This is an article that actually popped up on my Facebook feed I think 3 or 4 years ago.
https://primaryandsecondary.com/that-guy-gearing-up/
It's from a website called primary and secondary. Com that I really don't know anything about. The article itself it was about making a realistic evaluation of what gear you might actually need as a citizen concealed carrier.
There used to be a guy that posted on another forum that never left his home unless he was wearing BDU style pants, combat boots and a rigger belt plus his GLUNK,(and a BUG ) plus a couple of 300.00 $ folders and a 2 million lumen (not really) flashlight and OC spray.
He routinely said if you left your home with any less you simply weren't prepared to defend yourself.
When I first started carrying I fell prey to the idea that I had to be prepared for every eventuality or I couldn't leave my home. I was constantly upgrading and refining my "load out". Then one day I realized I never used half the junk I was carrying and I quit.
I now carry my gun, 2 reloads, a pocket knife (25.00$ Buck), a multi tool ( that I actually use at work) and a $50.00 Fenix flash light.
I also make a point of not wearing "tactical" clothing because I think it's a give away.
https://primaryandsecondary.com/that-guy-gearing-up/
It's from a website called primary and secondary. Com that I really don't know anything about. The article itself it was about making a realistic evaluation of what gear you might actually need as a citizen concealed carrier.
There used to be a guy that posted on another forum that never left his home unless he was wearing BDU style pants, combat boots and a rigger belt plus his GLUNK,(and a BUG ) plus a couple of 300.00 $ folders and a 2 million lumen (not really) flashlight and OC spray.
He routinely said if you left your home with any less you simply weren't prepared to defend yourself.
When I first started carrying I fell prey to the idea that I had to be prepared for every eventuality or I couldn't leave my home. I was constantly upgrading and refining my "load out". Then one day I realized I never used half the junk I was carrying and I quit.
I now carry my gun, 2 reloads, a pocket knife (25.00$ Buck), a multi tool ( that I actually use at work) and a $50.00 Fenix flash light.
I also make a point of not wearing "tactical" clothing because I think it's a give away.
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Sittin' across a card table, my Ruger LCP fits real handy and the .380 Hornady ammo should do the trick.
Otherwise my Browning HP in 9 mm should handle most everything else.
For longer range, not that I carry it, but is available is my all purpose Ruger Scout in .308.
If a situation can't be handled by one of those three, time to get out of Dodge.
Otherwise my Browning HP in 9 mm should handle most everything else.
For longer range, not that I carry it, but is available is my all purpose Ruger Scout in .308.
If a situation can't be handled by one of those three, time to get out of Dodge.
First and foremost the gun must fire every time the trigger is pulled. It must be reasonably accurate at short range(it's for defense). It has to be such that I will carry it. For me my carry is a 5 shot 642 Airweight revolver. Other stuff is too big/too heavy and won't fit in my pocket. I don't carry a reload. If I was to carry a semi I would definitely carry an extra magazine. You never know when a magazine will fail or fall out of the gun. I do have a couple lightweight commanders with holster and mag carrier but haven't had occasion to carry either of them.
Hey Moonglum,
in my case I think about the chances of having to confront a threat and the kind of threat.
I think my case is like yours but reversed. I work in the city, but it is coming home at night in the mountains that I have to worry about animals: I had to scare the bear off my trash can three times in the last few years. Every couple of months there is a deer killed in my property by mountain lion.
As for danger in the city, I guess I could get mugged at 9pm when getting off work and pumping some gas on the way back from work.
Since the animal threat if big bodied, I carry my Glock 21 retrofit for 45 Super AIWB. Since I need to be discreet carrying at work and the threat in the city might be a sole assailant, I don't carry any extra mags: I am betting 13 rds ought to suffice for both the bear or the mugger and I can't be printing at work while teaching, I dress "business casual".
No flashlight, on me, just my phone. I have one in the car.
The primary reason I carry a spare magazine (actually two) has nothing to do with the possibility of needing more ammunition than is onboard in the gun. In reality I (like most of us) haven't needed so much as the first round.
I carry a reload because the magazine is the weak link in any semiautomatic weapon. As was mentioned above , if (God Forbid) I should ever have to defend myself with a handgun my training dictates that I reload as soon as I think the shooting is over.
then why not "strive to carry" an AR pistol?
The word concealable was implied but not included.
A Glock 19/23 or 1911 is concealable under typical summer clothes.
it only makes sense to considering an honest assessment of risk
OK. Where would I rather defend my life with a 380 rather than a 9mm or 45? Nowhere.
Its no problem for me to carry a lightweight commander 1911 under a loose untucked shirt, all day; including walking the dogs a mile or two, moving to a new house recently, push mowing the lawn, or a casual bicycle ride.
A pocket 380 in case somebody(s) try to kill me "here" but a 9mm in case somebody(s) try to kill me elsewhere makes no sense to me; I want better ASAP potential regardless of location and I carry accordingly.
The word concealable was implied but not included.
A Glock 19/23 or 1911 is concealable under typical summer clothes.
it only makes sense to considering an honest assessment of risk
OK. Where would I rather defend my life with a 380 rather than a 9mm or 45? Nowhere.
Its no problem for me to carry a lightweight commander 1911 under a loose untucked shirt, all day; including walking the dogs a mile or two, moving to a new house recently, push mowing the lawn, or a casual bicycle ride.
A pocket 380 in case somebody(s) try to kill me "here" but a 9mm in case somebody(s) try to kill me elsewhere makes no sense to me; I want better ASAP potential regardless of location and I carry accordingly.
I'm not trying to be a smart-ass dude. Go back and read the OP. Part of my original question was about 2 guys who are apparently seriously considering carrying AR pistols in back packs to work.
I mean, I get it's not my place to judge but isn't there some point where we've gone over the edge?
I don't know, if it is allowed and they like to carry the AR and they do it safely, why not?
Besides being tools, my firearms are also a source of enjoyment for me. I like them like some people like watches, fancy top of the line laptops, phones or cars.
Why drive your Corvette, or Mustang, or Suzuki Hayabusa, to work, when the speed limit all across the US tops at 75 mph? Isn't that going over the edge?
And your F-150 Raptor when you are just going to get coffee at Starbucks?
Why DD breast implants when a C cup is adequate?
Look, as far as I am concerned, there are certain things about a dude that I don't need to know or see. One of those things is what they carry.
Carry whatever you wish as long as it is legal and you do it responsibly and you keep it to yourself.
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How many employers do you think would be OK with you bringing an SBR to work?
I live in Colorado too bro and none of what you just said is true. Your employer can absolutely bar you from bringing a gun to work. He can bar you from having one in your car on his property. And that desk you sit at? That's his and he can search HIS any time he pleases.
Well CO bro, I am sure that ALL of what I said is right. << CORRECTION: it turns out I am the one who is WRONG, read two posts below #76 >>
The parking lot is his. He can bar your from having a gun at/in your desk at work, or in your vehicle at HIS parking lot (park somewhere else), NOT from conceal carrying it. And he cannot ask you if you are conceal carrying.
There is only one way to check though, lets both of us look at the statute and then report back? Maybe another thread?
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If you can be barred from having it at work, how would that then not apply to concealed carrying at work? You can play the game of how will they know, but it doesn’t mean you’re not in violation of policy that could see you terminated.
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Ok, Tunnelrat and Moonglum,
it turns out I may have to partially eat my words.
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-12-214.html
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-12-105.html
According to the law in CO, it is not illegal to carry at work even if they have a no-guns policy or sign, but if they find out they can certainly terminate me. "No firearms" signs on private spaces do not have the force of law but a private property owner can ask you to leave and if you then refuse, you can be charged with trespassing with a deadly weapon.
Therefore carrying in secret at work is legal with a CCW license, although it might be against company policy. So I'll address your question regarding "how many employer you think are OK with you bringing and SBR to work" at the bottom.
In my case it turns out I am in a special circumstance, because I work at the University and there was a Supreme Court case against CU that barred higher ed institutions from asking employees and students if they are carrying:
https://www.colorado.edu/hr/colorado-concealed-carry-act-faq
"Following the Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling in March that the CU Board of Regents lacks the authority to regulate concealed weapons on campus under the Colorado Concealed Carry Act"
I thought this might apply to every work place in Colorado but weirdly enough, it only applies to higher ed .
So Moonglum regarding your question:
Hard to know, depends on the place of work. I guess that uber-liberal CU and CSU can do nothing about it, whether they like it or not.
But the employer who is not OK with you bringing an SBR to work is probably not going to be ok with you bringing a handgun either, and that is the reason for concealment.
Do you really think that when a fellow employee discovers your pistol + 2 mags concealed in your backpack at Starbucks, the reaction is going to be much different than if you carried an SBR?
My bottom line point regarding the OP and also #69: If the firearm is legally and successfully concealed, why does it matter if someone chooses to bring a 22lr, a handgun or an SBR to work?
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Ok, Tunnelrat and Moonglum,
it turns out I may have to partially eat my words.
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-12-214.html
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-12-105.html
According to the law in CO, it is not illegal to carry at work even if they have a no-guns policy or sign, but if they find out they can certainly terminate me. "No firearms" signs on private spaces do not have the force of law but a private property owner can ask you to leave and if you then refuse, you can be charged with trespassing with a deadly weapon.
Therefore carrying in secret at work is legal with a CCW license, although it might be against company policy. So I'll address your question regarding "how many employer you think are OK with you bringing and SBR to work" at the bottom.
In my case it turns out I am in a special circumstance, because I work at the University and there was a Supreme Court case against CU that barred higher ed institutions from asking employees and students if they are carrying:
https://www.colorado.edu/hr/colorado-concealed-carry-act-faq
"Following the Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling in March that the CU Board of Regents lacks the authority to regulate concealed weapons on campus under the Colorado Concealed Carry Act"
I thought this might apply to every work place in Colorado but weirdly enough, it only applies to higher ed .
So Moonglum regarding your question:
Hard to know, depends on the place of work. I guess that uber-liberal CU and CSU can do nothing about it, whether they like it or not.
But the employer who is not OK with you bringing an SBR to work is not going to be ok with you bringing a handgun either, and that is the reason for concealment.
My bottom line point regarding the OP and also #69: If the firearm is legally concealed, why does it matter if someone chooses to bring a 22lr, a handgun or an SBR to work?
My guess is it has little to do with it being higher education and more to do with the fact that it’s a public university. For those working for private companies it’s another story.
To the point about why it matters if it’s a handgun or a SBR or braced pistol, I think going back to the original post the argument is one can be concealed on your person and in the example the other is stored in a locker or similar. One you have direct control of, the other you don’t. I’m not sure how a firearm stored in say a work owned locker that an employee is using would fall in the laws that have been mentioned thus far.
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True.
Not in the least but I do think it's more likely that they'd find the SBR.
Go back and read the OP. My question was specific to the AR pistol/ Skorpion. How are you going to secure them in the building at work? I've worked places where the employeeswere assigned lockers but the lockers were far enough away from the work area to be worthless in terms of getting to your weapon if you actually need it. AND THAT SPACE STILL BELONGS TO THE EMPLOYER AND IS SUBJECT TO SEARCH AT WILL.
If you worked in a factory and provided your own tools your roll away might be yours. Mine was and it most certainly was not subject to a search by my employer.
So, as I mentioned earlier, you're stuck with locking your back pack in your desk or carrying it with you every where you go and that will get noticed.
Colorado is an at will employment state. They can let you because your co workers are concerned for their safety without ever actually having to prove you had a gun at work.
It's a lot more likely IMO for that to happen than for you to need that gun to fend off an active shooter.
If I worked in an office setting I wouldn't carry a full sized pistol and two magazines at work. I've already made the determination that I'd purchase a couple of the undershirts with a holster built in and carry a Glock 43
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Dude, I don't know where in CO you are from, you say you see Cheyenne mountain from work, so you must be the security guard at some gift store in Manitou Springs, or the choo choo cog-rail.
It is pretty annoying how you keep accusing everybody of not reading your poorly written post and you sternly keep instructing them to go back and re-read it. So far you have done it to:
GE-Minigun in post #11
T. O'Heir #18
CWD4ME in #69
Tunnelrat #47
and myself, in post #79
Yet it is YOU who does not seem to remember what you posted in your own OP. No, your question was not specific to the Skorpion. It was about the AR pistol
(<<people have responded that they're carrying AR pistols and in one case a CZ Scorpion to work>),
to which I responded in posts #70 and #76. So why don't YOU go back and re-read your own OP and then re-read my posts?
Also another question you posited in your OP was <<What criteria do you use to decide what kind of gun you're going to carry on a daily basis? What eventualities are you preparing for? >>
This seemed to be the main question in your OP (is it not?),
and this one I specifically took the time to answer in post #66. You are welcome. You can go back and re-read it too.
Do you have any other questions that you would like us to help you with? I promise we will make sure to read them thoroughly.
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