Carl the Floor Walker
Moderator
Yes thanks for a good review and common sense.
The internet seems to have turned into this constant parrot type of bashing. The days of good honest reviews seem to be going by the wayside
Glock's new 22
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The internet seems to have turned into this constant parrot type of bashing. The days of good honest reviews seem to be going by the wayside
Drama does seem to be the thing these days.
Someone on another board pointed out, and something I really hadn't really considered, as Im not really a YouTuber, that a number of the guys who have channels on YouTube are making money off them, and the clickbait is $$$. So the drama is good, and the more of it, the better. Kind of sounds familiar, and not just here with guns, eh?
From personal experience over the years, the only way to really know if something youre interested in is for you, is to buy it and find out. Ive had guns that were supposed to be great, that I had nothing but trouble with, and guns that were supposed to be total trash, and mine worked great.
Do your homework the best you can, and make a decision. Its not going to be the end of the world if it doesnt pan out, and you might be missing something great, just because someone else dislikes something and seems to have an agenda.
Buy enough guns, and sooner or later, its going to be your turn in the barrel. Thats just a fact of life.
You pays your money and takes your chances.
Jim Watson
New member
A friend is taking one back to see if the dealer will help him get it fixed.
Persistent light strike misfires with his usual Federals.
ETA Dealer says magazine follower causing drag on slide, causing failure to breech up fully. Glock working on fix.
Persistent light strike misfires with his usual Federals.
ETA Dealer says magazine follower causing drag on slide, causing failure to breech up fully. Glock working on fix.
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Those are the same two main reviews that keep getting posted and pushed by those who seem to want to push the negative and want to pound on them.
Ill ask the same thing here I ask those who keep saying the guns are a problem.... hows your gun running and what problems are you having? The usual answer is "crickets".
Go read the reviews at various sites where people who have them are posting, and I think youll see that the "majority" of those posts are positive in nature.
And on that note, my son and I just got back from shooting both of mine this afternoon, 500 more rounds, 250 each gun, and they were all "flawless". And a lot of fun as well.
Areoflyer09
New member
Does it have light strikes with other ammo?
Bill DeShivs
New member
Some things are better left unsaid.
Do they work?
Im always leary of Kel Tecs stuff. They have some interesting ideas but they always seem to come up short in the execution. Ive had a few of their guns over the years, and at this point, dont bother any more.
From the sounds of it, Taurus seems to have got 15 their rounders to work. Now all they have to do is to somehow get some sort of a rep back on their guns and they might have something.
I know some people are making the mag capacity a big deal with the Glocks, but the majority of 22 autos out there have 10 round mags, so what that big deal is, Im not sure.
Maybe Pro Mag can come up with something more high cap for those who need it.
Areoflyer09
New member
Dunno about the P17, but then CP33 is very susceptible to rimlock if the mags aren’t loaded exactly right.Do they work?
Im always leary of Kel Tecs stuff. They have some interesting ideas but they always seem to come up short in the execution. Ive had a few of their guns over the years, and at this point, dont bother any more.
From the sounds of it, Taurus seems to have got 15 their rounders to work. Now all they have to do is to somehow get some sort of a rep back on their guns and they might have something.
I know some people are making the mag capacity a big deal with the Glocks, but the majority of 22 autos out there have 10 round mags, so what that big deal is, Im not sure.
Maybe Pro Mag can come up with something more high cap for those who need it.
A quick Youtube search will show many more videos of issues from at least semi-respectable reviewers.
I agree that the internet skews negative whenever possible, but even anecdotal evidence can add up.
I'm not willing to write off the 44 yet, but I'm going to wait for more evidence that these early issues are resolved (and for 15-round magazines and an affordable 1/2x28 threaded barrel option) before I spend any money on one.
Carl the Floor Walker
Moderator
I was watching a Youtube video of Hickcock45 review a firearm. You could see his irritation when he said and a I will paraphrase. 'This gun has not had any failures, this one I have in my hand. I know how the internet has bcome, there will always be the Bashers that will say all kinds of things. But this gun has not blown up in my hand, and has been reliable, this gun, the one I have in my hand'! He went on to say that he does not get on any forums.
I would say all three of the new 22's Glock, Keltec and and the Taurus are all getting slammed by the usual bashers. One guy has a failure and then 1,000 posters will parrot and start to bash. It is the new thing now on the internet.
Personally if I were in the market for one, I would try out all three, not worry about the Intenet and make my own decisions. I would also bet the odds of getting a bad one of either brand about 1%. And that 1% will turn into 90% from the internet.
Take 10,000 guns sold, and one poster post that he had a problem, then this in turn lights up all the 1 Percenters who had a problem, who then jump on the burning dog.
I would say all three of the new 22's Glock, Keltec and and the Taurus are all getting slammed by the usual bashers. One guy has a failure and then 1,000 posters will parrot and start to bash. It is the new thing now on the internet.
Personally if I were in the market for one, I would try out all three, not worry about the Intenet and make my own decisions. I would also bet the odds of getting a bad one of either brand about 1%. And that 1% will turn into 90% from the internet.
Take 10,000 guns sold, and one poster post that he had a problem, then this in turn lights up all the 1 Percenters who had a problem, who then jump on the burning dog.
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Carl the Floor Walker
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And I would disagree to a extent. But not much more depending on the manufacturer. Maybe as high 5 to a max of 10% with some as little as less than 2%.
Carl the Floor Walker
Moderator
You are right. take back the 10%. Much too high. Will stick with 1%. And these would be legitimate issues. Actually saw a study on one manufacture that well respected writer went to the manufactuer and look at the satistics of the return. Of the gun returned, most had no problems and the ones that were represented .6%
Carl the Floor Walker
Moderator
Yep, and the writer is very respected in the Gun World and from him he said that the person he visited was a very old friend whom he trusted. Maybe they both are liars. I don't believe they are but you are free to choose what you believe.
I think the one thing thats often left out of all of this is the lowest common denominator. The operator.
How many guns are declared junk and dont (appear to) work, simply because the person using it, wont even open the manual and follow the manufacturer's directions/suggestions?
How many just dont know how to shoot properly?
Ive made out because of both.
I had both the SIG Mosquito and the Walther P22's when they first came out, and was amazed at all the bad press they got, and all the troubles so many seemed to be having, yet mine both seemed to work very well.
That is, as long as I used the recommended ammo, and/or ammo they liked, and in the one guns case, the proper (supplied) spring for the ammo being used.
When I asked a couple of people that were having trouble if they were using the right spring for the ammo, as the manual stated, the answer was. "what spring?". That was all explained in the manual. Guess they missed it.
I bought a month old Glock 17 from my local dealer, who had sold it earlier in the month to a boy, who brought it right back in complaining of brass to the face. The gun went back to Glock, and they were nice enough to rebuild the whole slide. The parts list of replaced parts was in the box when I bought it.
He took it out when it came back, shot it, and brought it right back complaining of the same exact thing. Brass to the face. He traded it in on something else.
I got it for around $400. Basically a brand new gun. I have over a thousand rounds through the gun at this point, and have yet to have one piece of brass come anywhere near my head. Im betting there was nothing wrong with the gun in the first place. Im sure hes probably going around telling everyone who will listen, the guns are junk.
I just hope he buys more. I like getting deals.
How many guns are declared junk and dont (appear to) work, simply because the person using it, wont even open the manual and follow the manufacturer's directions/suggestions?
How many just dont know how to shoot properly?
Ive made out because of both.
I had both the SIG Mosquito and the Walther P22's when they first came out, and was amazed at all the bad press they got, and all the troubles so many seemed to be having, yet mine both seemed to work very well.
That is, as long as I used the recommended ammo, and/or ammo they liked, and in the one guns case, the proper (supplied) spring for the ammo being used.
When I asked a couple of people that were having trouble if they were using the right spring for the ammo, as the manual stated, the answer was. "what spring?". That was all explained in the manual. Guess they missed it.
I bought a month old Glock 17 from my local dealer, who had sold it earlier in the month to a boy, who brought it right back in complaining of brass to the face. The gun went back to Glock, and they were nice enough to rebuild the whole slide. The parts list of replaced parts was in the box when I bought it.
He took it out when it came back, shot it, and brought it right back complaining of the same exact thing. Brass to the face. He traded it in on something else.
I got it for around $400. Basically a brand new gun. I have over a thousand rounds through the gun at this point, and have yet to have one piece of brass come anywhere near my head. Im betting there was nothing wrong with the gun in the first place. Im sure hes probably going around telling everyone who will listen, the guns are junk.
I just hope he buys more. I like getting deals.
When it comes to self reporting from companies I tend to be skeptical, based on history and my own experience. I don’t see that as calling people liars, as to me it’s not personal. It has nothing really to do with who the writer was/is or who the employee was/is. It’s just my standard practice.
Does this person have a name, or is it a secret? I don’t doubt your story at all, it just seems weird that we just don’t use the name directly.
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