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Exciting New Handguns - Those Days Are Over???
- Thread starter Skans
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If you’ve got the $$$$, the Laugo Alien is a unique and innovative new design.
And there’s this:
https://arcflashlabs.com/product/emg-01b/
And there’s this:
https://arcflashlabs.com/product/emg-01b/
The Mateba Automatic Revolver revived the recoil operated cocking mechanism in 1997 for .357, .44 magnum and .454 Casull cartridges. Went out of business in 2005 or so but seems to have reopened in 2014. Can't tell if this website is actually up-to-date
https://www.mateba.us/mateba-6-unica-revolvers/
but shows the semi-auto revolvers
https://www.mateba.us/mateba-6-unica-revolvers/
but shows the semi-auto revolvers
BornFighting88
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Oh man I just looked at that website. Looks like something out of a steampunk novel, and really cool. Wonder who the US importer is, as they say it is available for the US market.
Full discolosure, I opened this link fully expecting to see the old school Mateba 6 with the cylinder ahead of and below the trigger group. I thought THAT was cool beans back in the day. This is even better. Just a block of iron belching out 6 rounds of fire and lead. Delicious.
Full discolosure, I opened this link fully expecting to see the old school Mateba 6 with the cylinder ahead of and below the trigger group. I thought THAT was cool beans back in the day. This is even better. Just a block of iron belching out 6 rounds of fire and lead. Delicious.
kilotanker22
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I think radically new designs are waning because we have learned what works well and what does not. That coupled with market trends and demographics of those buying products.
I was very excited when the Walther PDP was announced. After owning one for a few months and putting over a thousand rounds through it, I still love it. Enough so that I bought a second one. I like the direction the market is headed in respect to pistol design. Small improvements is all I hope for really. For example, if Glock would develop a better trigger and install fully supported chambers, I might not ever buy another handgun. But when the Walther pistols are the same price as a Glock 17, but better in every conceivable way, except for the slightly higher bore axis. It is hard to buy a Glock.
What I would really love to see more of is DA/SA autos. No particular reason, I just like them.
I was very excited when the Walther PDP was announced. After owning one for a few months and putting over a thousand rounds through it, I still love it. Enough so that I bought a second one. I like the direction the market is headed in respect to pistol design. Small improvements is all I hope for really. For example, if Glock would develop a better trigger and install fully supported chambers, I might not ever buy another handgun. But when the Walther pistols are the same price as a Glock 17, but better in every conceivable way, except for the slightly higher bore axis. It is hard to buy a Glock.
What I would really love to see more of is DA/SA autos. No particular reason, I just like them.
For example, if Glock would develop a better trigger and install fully supported chambers, I might not ever buy another handgun. But when the Walther pistols are the same price as a Glock 17, but better in every conceivable way, except for the slightly higher bore axis. It is hard to buy a Glock.
I own both a PDP and a number of Glocks. I too am thinking about buying another PDP. I wouldn’t say a PDP is better in every conceivable way.
The market has the options it does for a reason. Different people like different things and what one person likes another does not. If a product isn’t popular enough it eventually disappears, which can be bad news for the people that like it.
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BornFighting88
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Tell me that last line isn’t the honest truth. I am the one that likes oddball things, and because of that, I am on the short end of that stick. HahahI own both a PDP and a number of Glocks. I too am thinking about buying another PDP. I wouldn’t say a PDP is better in every conceivable way.
The market has the options it does for a reason. Different people like different things and what one person likes another does not. If a product isn’t popular enough it eventually disappears, which can be bad news for the people that like it.
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BornFighting88
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See the thread on the CZ 600. While it is a promising premise, practical applications have not panned out well for many platforms outside of the P250/P320. Even that is a rehash…. The P250 was out first, and then the P320 refined some of the rough edges of that.I think that the SIG Sauer modular P320 system is actually a leap forward.
The ability to convert from one caliber to another, and to go from full size to carry sizes is exciting. I think that modularity in firearms is the future.
Savage has a corner of the market with the nut locked barrel. End user, with proper tools, can headspace themselves.
You do see a few other companies following suit. So you have a point, for sure.
Jim Watson
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Born, you might be interested in the WMP, the Walther Magnum Pistole.
15 x .22 WRM
https://waltherarms.com/wmp/
I don't know if that qualifies as exciting, but it is a new model.
15 x .22 WRM
https://waltherarms.com/wmp/
I don't know if that qualifies as exciting, but it is a new model.
BornFighting88
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Jim,Born, you might be interested in the WMP, the Walther Magnum Pistole.
15 x .22 WRM
https://waltherarms.com/wmp/
I don't know if that qualifies as exciting, but it is a new model.
I belong to Waltherforums and that place is (go figure) abuzz with talk of that pistol. Color me interested.
Cosmodragoon
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The Sig P365 was a game changer. Of course, they left us DA/SA guys out in the cold.
The Sig P320 X-Ten does something similar in being a double-stack 10mm that can hold 15. Also similarly, too bad for Sig's old school DA/SA people...
If you didn't guess, I haven't been excited about new handguns in a very long time.
The Sig P320 X-Ten does something similar in being a double-stack 10mm that can hold 15. Also similarly, too bad for Sig's old school DA/SA people...
If you didn't guess, I haven't been excited about new handguns in a very long time.
I share your disappointment in the lack of options for us DA/SA people, specially in the carry/compact segment.The Sig P365 was a game changer. Of course, they left us DA/SA guys out in the cold.
The Sig P320 X-Ten does something similar in being a double-stack 10mm that can hold 15. Also similarly, too bad for Sig's old school DA/SA people...
If you didn't guess, I haven't been excited about new handguns in a very long time.
I am so desperate that I am even considering the Taurus th9c.
Its been a long time since I was actually excited about a handgun design, and these days I see almost nothing that actually interests me, once I get a chance to examine one in my hands.
We have endless variations of long used design principles, but very little that I find actually interesting, different and weird just isn't enough, either.
The bar for commercial success is pretty high, these days. Every new design has to do something better than previously done, or at least as well, and do it at a price point competitive with long established models. AND it has to be popular enough that not only will people buy it, but they will continue to buy them, so the maker can stay in business.
There have been many really good designs (and designs with the potential to be really good) that simply were not popular enough on the commercial market to remain in production.
The market is something where the timing can matter more than the quality of the product.
We have endless variations of long used design principles, but very little that I find actually interesting, different and weird just isn't enough, either.
The bar for commercial success is pretty high, these days. Every new design has to do something better than previously done, or at least as well, and do it at a price point competitive with long established models. AND it has to be popular enough that not only will people buy it, but they will continue to buy them, so the maker can stay in business.
There have been many really good designs (and designs with the potential to be really good) that simply were not popular enough on the commercial market to remain in production.
The market is something where the timing can matter more than the quality of the product.
The pocket guns and micro 9mm's are awesome. I think its super exciting. So many guns that didn't exist 20 yrs ago. Finally options and gun makers going after the CCW demographic.
Now if they would just give us hammer fired, DA, and DA/SA options! Hopefully that's coming soon...
Now if they would just give us hammer fired, DA, and DA/SA options! Hopefully that's coming soon...
Jim Watson
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Will the world embrace the FN Hiper?
https://fnherstal.com/en/defence/portable-weapons/fn-hiper/
https://www.events.fnherstal.com/en
Won't the odd controls be FUN to learn?
https://fnherstal.com/en/defence/portable-weapons/fn-hiper/
https://www.events.fnherstal.com/en
Won't the odd controls be FUN to learn?
Same here. I do wish somebody would take another shot at that "Tri-Action Trigger" business that those Daewoo 9mm & .40S&W pistols had. I had one on .40 but I just couldn't get any appreciated level of accuracy out of it. It wasn't horrible, I just couldn't group as well with it as I did with the other .40's I'd owned- Smith & Walther P99 and EAA Witness.Its been a long time since I was actually excited about a handgun design, and these days I see almost nothing that actually interests me, once I get a chance to examine one in my hands.
Innovation is still there, it's just not where you're looking: it's in new bullet designs.
The old Silver Tip/Hydra Shock designs have given way to modern Gold Dots/HST/Lehigh designs that outperform anything beyond 25+ years ago. That's just to name a few. The Gold Dots sort of straddle the tail end of that previous era, but they've also evolved since then too.
The old Silver Tip/Hydra Shock designs have given way to modern Gold Dots/HST/Lehigh designs that outperform anything beyond 25+ years ago. That's just to name a few. The Gold Dots sort of straddle the tail end of that previous era, but they've also evolved since then too.
Yeah . . . but he's talking about handguns. Not bullets, or lubricants, or coffee makers, or rocket engines.Innovation is still there, it's just not where you're looking: it's in new bullet designs.