Cleaning black powder rifles

Pahoo

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In-Lines vs SideLock, on cleaning

In a past post/reply, someone mentioned that In-Lines were easier to clean than Traditionals. Personally I have found just the reverse to be true. Granted, Inlines are vary in construction where Traditionals are pretty much the same. I have spent more time, cleaning In-Lines than traditionals. In-Lines may be more accessible, due to removable breech plugs and such but I'd rather clean a Traditional over an inline, any day. .... ;)

Be Safe !!!
 

jhenry

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The best stuff I have ever used is the 1/3 equal measure solution of Murphy's Oil Soap, Rubbing Alcohol, and drug store Hydrogen Peroxide. You do need to keep it in a light proof container so the peroxide does not degrade.
 
Diluted with water. Ballistol for cleaning here.

I've heard a few Marines urinated into the Water Reserve Tank of the older 30 cal. water cooled machine-guns. After they had drank the Reserve Tanks fresh water first.
 

jimbob86

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I've never used anythig but hot soapy water on mine ..... rinsed with hot water, dried, light coat of oil......

Seriously, shooting a flintlock, I don't shoot it enough in an afternoon to get it that terribly dirty.....
 

Gatofeo

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Shooting seems to have its share of pee-freaks, spreading unsubstantiated tales. Here's a few I can recall from the internet and pre-internet books and magazines. As far as I know, only one is true:

1. Long ago, to make gunpowder (black powder) stronger, soldiers urinated in the powder and then dried it.
FALSE - Urinate in powder and you'll get soggy, unusable powder. During the long, stinky process of making potassium nitrate (saltpetre) -- one of three ingredients in black powder -- it was learned centuries ago that the urine of heavy drinkers was particularly good for this use.
The microbes that converted the organic material to potassium nitrate thrived on it. This is probably where this falsity stems from.

2. Urine was used to clean black powder guns.
KINDA - It was probably a field expedient to wash away heavy fouling, but not a regular practice.
I recall reading that, during the Korean War and its bitter cold, GIs in foxholes peed on the action of their M1 rifle to keep it from freezing over with ice. I am uncertain this is true, because the M1 rifle is an exceedingly dependable arm.

3. Machine gunners in the trenches of World War I peed into the water jacket of their machine guns, when they ran low on water, to keep their guns firing.
TRUE.
I've heard this many times, and even saw reference to it at the World War I museum at Ypres, Belgium (where three of the war's bloodiest battles were fought). I believe it, but only as a a field expediency.

4. The Viet Cong peed on the sharpened punji stakes they used in booby traps, to cause greater infection.
TRUE.
But then, urinating edged weapons before battle was known long ago to cause infection.
Ancient armies also smeared feces, mashed insects and other nasty stuff on their arrowheads and blades to induce infection.

There are probably other tales of odd uses for urine, aside from being a fertilizer. Few of them are likely true.
 

shafter

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Civil War soldiers didn't really clean their rifles with urine. It was mostly to get enough fouling removed so they could continue shooting. Back in camp the usually procedures were probably used.
 

BirchOrr

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Trigger time today

Got some serious trigger time in today with 4 different charcoal burners. WooooHoooo! When I was done, I tried the Simple Green I gave it a go as "donkey" made the suggestion. It works better than anything I've ever used. It took crud off I've never been able to remove. It was excellent along with hot water (50/50 in a bowl) to soak nipples, breach plugs, and cylinders while I was going after other parts with a toothbrush. Sprayed it down barrels and the BP and all else ran out and into the trash can with very little brushing. Cut my meticulous cleaning time in half.

I still have yet to try putting my ROA in the dishwasher as was also suggested. :D
 

donkee

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BirchOrr,

I am glad that the SG worked for you. I have been using it for a few years now and it has been a great gun cleaner for me.

I have a spare portable dishwasher that I am going to repurpose for parts washing and possibly brass. If I can get it going soon I'll let you know how it does.
 

donkee

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My big holdup on hooking the portable is that I need to hook it up to the washtub in the basement. I have been looking around for a garden hose style connector so screw into the washtub faucet that will let me hook the portable DW to it. No options I can find yet. Might have to do some creative plumbing.
 

DD4lifeusmc

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gatofeo #2 pee on rifle in Korea

Yes the M1 was very dependable. Survived as the action weapon for Marines even into the mid 60's of Vietnam.
The chosin reservoir was bitterly cold and also high humidity.
It was so cold at times moisture in the air would actually cause the bolt to freeze in the slides. The lubes back then that they were issued couldn't adapt viscosity wise and would freeze to a thick scum. Urine has a somewhat oily (for lack of a better word) in it.
This would help soften and dilute the lube.
Thus it is true sometimes they did pee on them. Generally only when they were expecting action.
Many actually stopped using the lubes in the bitter cold.
This is what we were taught when we Went through Recruit Training.
There were a few Army Troops stationed near the reservoir that were trapped.
The Marines broke out of the Reservoir ( Chosen), they were surrounded, to go help get the Army out and head out of the area.
Because of the extreme cold, that is why the battle was nick named the Frozen Chosin.
 

DD4lifeusmc

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donkee connector

Most home improvement stores have a garden hose to pipe thread adapter.
Garden hosed will screw onto some kitchen faucet spouts if you unscrew
the aerator.
If this don't work then you can join them witha couple.
I bought the pieces a few years ago.
Also if the water heater is nearby. They all have a hose connection for draining.
ope this helps you
 

THERAVEN

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Don't use modern chemicals or boiling water

Hot water and Dawn is what I use. Do not use modern chemicals, most will react to blackpowder and cause corrosion. Most today cleansers are meant to cut through rough dirt and that alone will work against your barrel. After rinsing with warm to hot water, dry the best you can, breaking it down as far as you can. Turn it upside down for the night. Now spray the parts you can't get to with WD40 to get to water that might still be there. Oil the gun like you would any other gun and wipe it down. Remember that WD40 is a rust remover and water displacer and it will dry out. Like other guns you handle you should do them every several months.
 

warbirdlover

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Been reading the stuff on the BlackHorn 209 site. They say not to use water on their powder but a solvent (that they conveniently sell). I've got tons of different cleaning fluids I've been trying on my MkII Ruger that I used on my muzzleloader. Seems the Slip2000 works the best so far.
 

arcticap

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Blackhorn 209 will work in a traditional muzzle loader if a small booster charge of another muzzle loading powder is loaded first. It's similar to using a booster charge of black powder to ignite a primary charge of Pyrodex or 777 in a flintlock.
 

RevGeo

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At home - HOT soapy water in a bucket with a length of plastic tube that fits over the nipple. Other end of the tube goes in the bucket. Poor some hot water into the barrel to prime the pump, put a tight patch on the cleaning rod and start pumping. Then I rinse with HOT water (because it evaporates quickly) a dry patch and then a lightly oiled patch.
In the field - Hoppes #9, dry patch and then oil.
 
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