Blasts rock UK subway

Long Path

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Frankly, I'd rather see all the news do it that way.

Don't give the bastards the dignity of a "cause" for their murder. They are criminals. They are not "political soldiers." They are murderers.

BTW, it was mentioned that I didn't present an alternative to battling toe-to-toe with the terrorists. My answer is to do it this way: Treat them as criminals. International criminals if necessary. When we find their training camps, we can use military action to assist our police action.

Treat them like the thugs they are.
 

LAK

Moderator
BerettaCougar
Heard today on the news that BBC is now not calling this attack a terror attack, but just a homicidal action!!
Yep; and Comrade Blair and his cronies are already priming the British public up for more legislated powers. More new powers for the state. ;)
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http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=790322005
The Scotsman
Tue 12 Jul 2005
FRASER NELSON
POLITICAL EDITOR

TONY Blair yesterday braced Britain for new anti-terrorism laws, if it is found that extra powers for ministers or police might have prevented last Thursday's attacks in London.

The Prime Minister flatly rejected calls for a public inquiry into possible intelligence failures - but said an internal procedure was under way and lessons may well be drawn from its findings.

Civil rights groups and opposition MPs raised no criticism yesterday, setting a rare degree of consensus which could allow the government to acquire extra powers denied it in the months before the election.

Speaking to MPs for the first time since the attack which has now killed 52, Mr Blair called it a "murderous carnage of the innocent" and stressed that Britain was not singled out because of the war on terror.

London, he said, had joined a long list of targets for Islamic extremists, which included Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Yemen. Terrorists, he said, do "not greatly discriminate in terms of individual items of policy".

In comments that assuaged Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs, he said there was no need to bring forward his proposed anti-terror legislation planned for spring next year. However, he added: "If it becomes clear that there are powers which the police and intelligence agencies need immediately to combat terrorism, it is plainly sensible to reserve the right to return to Parliament with an accelerated timetable."

This caveat was happily accepted by Liberty, the civil liberties pressure group, which vehemently opposed Labour's plans for house arrest in March.

"I must admit, we were heartened by the Prime Minister's statement," said Doug Jewel, Liberty's campaigns co- ordinator. "He has not accelerated the timetable - this is a measured response."

The new legislation, which is being introduced after the summer recess, is expected to outlaw the condoning or glorifying of terrorism. It would give police extra powers to act on rogue imams who are accused of preaching jihad in London mosques.

But No10 said it has not changed its mind on creating a Homeland Security department, which would combine all anti-terrorism agencies under one dedicated minister. At present, it is one of the five portfolios handled by Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, had called for an inquiry last Friday. This was repeated without enthusiasm yesterday by Michael Howard, the outgoing leader of the Conservative Party.

"A limited inquiry could, in due course, provide a calm and dispassionate forum for learning appropriate lessons, helping to quell unhelpful speculation," he said.

But Downing Street had rejected this before the debate - saying it would impede both the investigation and the identification of the bodies by taking up time and resources.

In the Commons, Mr Blair moved to defend intelligence services, saying: "I know of no intelligence specific enough to have allowed them to prevent last Thursday's attacks." His wording aroused great interest among Conservatives as it leaves open the prospect that, just as with the 11 September attacks in the United States in 2001, intelligence had been received but had not been properly processed.

The ensuing debate was consensual and subdued, as MPs lined up to praise the Prime Minister for what Mr Howard called his "calm, resolute and statesmanlike" response to the attack.

Ian Paisley, the Democratic Unionist Party leader, told Mr Blair that "the whole country can salute you". The firebrand Ulsterman then praised Londoners for responding to the attack with "silence, not shouts".

Only Alex Salmond, the leader of the Scottish National Party, suggested to Mr Blair that the terrorist attack may have been a result of his decision to go to war. Mr Blair responded that the list of target countries disproved the idea.

Afterwards, MPs said the political fallout was inevitable - but is not likely until after the summer recess, which starts at the end of next week.

"No-one will attack the government while the dead are still being counted," said a senior Tory. "But there will soon come a time to ask if Britain was as protected as it could have been, and it is fast emerging that the answer is no."

Although Mr Blair promised an investigation "among the most vigorous and intensive this country has ever seen", the police are understood to have no leads - and admitted as much in an emergency meeting in London last Saturday with US and European officials.

But, nonetheless, Charles Clarke, the XXXXXX Home Secretary, has declared himself "very optimistic indeed" about catching the bombers, whom police believe are still in London.

No10 denied reports that the national terrorism alert level has been raised to the second-highest level of a specific threat. "We will still inform the public if there is a specific threat," a spokesman said.

The US president, George Bush, paid tribute to Londoners yesterday in a speech to an FBI training academy, and joined Mr Blair in listing the countries to have suffered terrorist attacks who sat out the Iraq war.

"The aim of the terrorists is to remake the Middle East in their own, grim image of tyranny and oppression by toppling governments, by exporting terror, by forcing free nations to retreat and withdraw," he said.

Muslim leaders call for calm after attacks on mosques

BRITAIN'S Muslim leaders have appealed for calm as a wave of attacks on mosques in the United Kingdom and New Zealand intensified fears of a backlash after the London bombings.

Concerns about Islamaphobic-led assaults on the community grew after mosques in London, Telford, Leeds, Bristol and Birkenhead were attacked, and Pakistan's consulate in Bradford was vandalised.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, warned that unscrupulous elements would exploit the bombing to foster anti-Islamic feeling. In a letter to imams, Muslim scholars and faith organisations, he stressed that the entire country was united in its sorrow for the innocent victims.

Sir Iqbal pointed out that people from all faiths were caught up in the blasts. "We know that there may be some unscrupulous elements in our society who may look upon Thursday's carnage as a morbid opportunity to attack and undermine British Muslims, their institutions and mosques."

He added: "It is the duty of all of us to help bring the perpetrators of this tragedy to justice speedily."

Police have stepped up security and communication with Muslim organisations in response to the attacks on mosques, he said.

Over the weekend, mosque windows across Britain were smashed and the door of Pakistan's consulate in Bradford was set alight. The worst incident was at the Mazharul Uloom Mosque in Tower Hamlets, east London, where 19 windows were smashed.

Abdullah Faliq, of the East London Mosque Trust, said the organisation also received hate mail and abusive phone calls. But he added that there had also been many messages of support from non-Muslims.

In New Zealand's largest city, Auckland, four mosques were vandalised with the words "RIP London". Helen Clark, the prime minister, hit out at the apparently co-ordinated attacks. It is thought that a young New Zealand woman may have died in the bombing.

©2005 Scotsman.com
 

Blue Heeler

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It's pretty plain to see.

What we have is a cancer on society. It's called Islam. Don't be mistaken by those who say 'we are good Muslims.' They aren't. Lying and deceit is their stock in trade. This cult is BAD. It must be banned and anyone who doesn't like it or accept it goes back to where they came from, And no compensation.
The murderers in London were all born in the UK.
Use the effective agricultural policy. You have a mad cow? Destroy the herd.
You know an area that has a disease? Ban entry of anything from that area (even if not a Muslim - it might have the disease.)
Sure it's not touchy feely - but, do you want your arse blown off by some fanatic?
 

Rojoe67

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BBC Reports......

BBC says the video from London's security systems shows the thugs with back packs. The criminals were seen walking together, talking and laughing as they headed for the deed they were about to carry out. The media said the young thugs had clean records and even were involved in sports (cricket) match just a few days before. Sounds like four did the work with RDX type military explosives. The Brits are still looking for a fifth person.

It is an example how these sleeper cells live, play, work, plan and carry out the act of murder like it's just another day in the park. We will continue to get educated by the cold and calculated ways of these evil persons and the ways they go about.

With the clean record and British paperwork they could have gained access into the United States with ease. Seems a little disturbing but it's fact. I think it just reminds us not to feel like we are sticking our nose in someones business if they are doing something strange or out-of-place. If we refuse to get involved in our own security, we as a nation will continue to die to the acts of these cowards.
 

LAK

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BBC says the video from London's security systems shows the thugs with back packs. The criminals were seen walking together, talking and laughing as they headed for the deed they were about to carry out. The media said the young thugs had clean records and even were involved in sports (cricket) match just a few days before
That's very tidy. And very quick.

It was only yesterday that reports stated that many of those killed were "unidentifiable" due to the force of the blasts.

I also do not buy the idea that suicide bombers would be so jovial heading to their deaths. We know that Japanese airmen flew planes loaded with explosives into our ships at one time; I doubt seriously that the atmosphere was anything like jovial on the way out.

Let's see the videos comrade Blair. ;)
 

chorlton

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The latest theory is that they were conned by their "handlers", making them think that timer on the explosives would allow for an escape. This would explain the credit cards etc found with the bombers (who were also identified by dna samples apparently). The explosives were thought to be acetone peroxide at one time, or was that just at the house in Luton? I there there is much more to this story than currently meets the eye.
 

shootinstudent

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What we have is a cancer on society. It's called Islam. Don't be mistaken by those who say 'we are good Muslims.' They aren't. Lying and deceit is their stock in trade. This cult is BAD. It must be banned and anyone who doesn't like it or accept it goes back to where they came from, And no compensation.

I just returned from SE Asia, and this seems to be a type of thinking that's popular with vietnamese taxi drivers and former khmer rouge members.

Why is the concept of "some bad, does not make all bad" so difficult to grasp? There was a gun-owner in Australia who went and shot up a bunch of people at a resort. Does that mean that all gun owners are lying when they say "hey, we're responsible and good people"?

Let's not lose the war against the animals that bombed london by rashly grouping in the other billion muslims with them. There are allies to be made in the Muslim world, and that's how this problem will be solved. It definitely does not help to start calling for segregation and elimination.
 

Blue Heeler

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shootinstudent - You are very probably right. Sometimes, in this politically correct World we live in, I just want to let off steam.
I hate the 'Cant say what you feel and Don't feel what you say' approach.
When someone adds unnecessarily to the already long river of human tears, I want to yell and show my rage. I don't want to bottle it up then wait a few days to dribble some inoffensive pap.
 

Gary H

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Where are the bloodied bombers?

The lack of dead bombers is very intriguing. I heard reports of travelers observing at least one of these guys. Why didn't anyone capture, beat, or in some way interact with at least one of these guys? Was the stampede universal in all four locations and covering every person present, or were these timed detonations? I would think that a commuter hearing a detonator go off would be very interested in making sure that the bad guy doesn't give it a second try. Of course, this supposes that an observer would immediately accurately size up the situation. Why didn't any of the commuters attack one of these guys?
 

chorlton

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Thats a little like saying "why didnt they overpower those guys with box cutters?"
What you hear is wrong, but dont let something little like facts ruin your day.

People on the tube were probably wondering what had happened or were expecting to get blown to pieces at any moment. Once the bombers left the trains, people DID give chase. If you've ever been on an underground train you'll understand how crowded it can be, and therefore difficult to chase someone - especially if the station was being evacuated at the time.
 

buzz_knox

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The big difference between the US position and that of those nations that opposed the war in Iraq?

Economic interests. The nations that opposed the war all stated a belief that Iraq probably possessed WMD, but they also had billions of dollars invested in Iraq. That's the reason they opposed the action (except for Russia, who also felt Iraq fell within its sphere of influence).
 
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