bad_dad_brad
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Well, I never thought of putting a blade on my urban defense rifle. The Mini-14 will fill the bill and quite economically. Keep your blade by your side.
AK47...? M16....? AR15...? Urban tactical
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OK,...when your weapon jams...or you're only 6 feet from the guy who's gonna decapitate you with a clever... and trying to pull your 1911 or AR15 just don't get it - what'cha gonna do??? Pull out your johnson and impress'em to death?
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I’m not convinced that, if you don’t have time to draw your sidearm, you'd have time to draw a knife. If my rifle “jams” and I'm 6 feet away from the enemy, I'm going to charge him and give him one heck of a poke to center mass with the muzzle of my rifle (or point of bayonet, if present) and proceed from there (maybe a vertical butt-stroke or a solid kick to the family jewels with my size-12 boondockers to buy me the second it takes to tap-rack-bang). Believe you me, a solid poke to the sternum with the muzzle end of a rifle is going to cause some discomfort to the recipient even without the bayonet, and you don’t need to deal with prying the weapon free from the badguy’s ribcage. I’m not about to drop my rifle, draw my knife and jump on the badguy; I don’t want to get into a knife fight with anyone.
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Well, well - you guys have it together. Dang, I thought the SEAL's and Rangers knew their business when it came to TACTICAL blades?
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Well, maybe, maybe not. SEALs aren’t the Rambo/Terminator-types that the movies make them out to be; their primary job is a form of reconnaissance, not getting into extended hand-to-hand combat (though they do have a Direct Action role and receive plenty of training in CQB). Some of the primary requirements for a SEAL blade would be totally superfluous for an urban combat blade (ex: made of nonconductive material, extreme corrosion resistance). As for Rangers, my Uncle was a Ranger in WWII and knew from personal experience how to stick a knife into people, but I think he got by just fine with a K-Bar-type knife, and didn’t need any fancy hi-tech knives.
Even assuming that SEALs and Rangers know everything there is to know about knife combat, I’m not convinced that their choice in blades says anything about the best knife for urban combat. In today’s infantry, a knife is primarily useful for opening MRE pouches and snapping the metal bands that hold ammo boxes shut, and may be needed to cut comm wire, dig a hole, serve as a prybar and pound in tent stakes, too. A K-Bar does just dandy for all of that, whereas a lot of the fancy-pants “tactical” knives aren’t as useful for these tasks.
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Anyway this is once agian fantasy talk for I hope and don't think anyone here will be in a urban situation.
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Well, there are numerous active duty and reserve Marines and soldiers who frequent this site, and urban combat is exactly the type of combat we anticipate being involved in our next significant conflict…
Semper fi,
Bruegger out.
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OK,...when your weapon jams...or you're only 6 feet from the guy who's gonna decapitate you with a clever... and trying to pull your 1911 or AR15 just don't get it - what'cha gonna do??? Pull out your johnson and impress'em to death?
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I’m not convinced that, if you don’t have time to draw your sidearm, you'd have time to draw a knife. If my rifle “jams” and I'm 6 feet away from the enemy, I'm going to charge him and give him one heck of a poke to center mass with the muzzle of my rifle (or point of bayonet, if present) and proceed from there (maybe a vertical butt-stroke or a solid kick to the family jewels with my size-12 boondockers to buy me the second it takes to tap-rack-bang). Believe you me, a solid poke to the sternum with the muzzle end of a rifle is going to cause some discomfort to the recipient even without the bayonet, and you don’t need to deal with prying the weapon free from the badguy’s ribcage. I’m not about to drop my rifle, draw my knife and jump on the badguy; I don’t want to get into a knife fight with anyone.
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Well, well - you guys have it together. Dang, I thought the SEAL's and Rangers knew their business when it came to TACTICAL blades?
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Well, maybe, maybe not. SEALs aren’t the Rambo/Terminator-types that the movies make them out to be; their primary job is a form of reconnaissance, not getting into extended hand-to-hand combat (though they do have a Direct Action role and receive plenty of training in CQB). Some of the primary requirements for a SEAL blade would be totally superfluous for an urban combat blade (ex: made of nonconductive material, extreme corrosion resistance). As for Rangers, my Uncle was a Ranger in WWII and knew from personal experience how to stick a knife into people, but I think he got by just fine with a K-Bar-type knife, and didn’t need any fancy hi-tech knives.
Even assuming that SEALs and Rangers know everything there is to know about knife combat, I’m not convinced that their choice in blades says anything about the best knife for urban combat. In today’s infantry, a knife is primarily useful for opening MRE pouches and snapping the metal bands that hold ammo boxes shut, and may be needed to cut comm wire, dig a hole, serve as a prybar and pound in tent stakes, too. A K-Bar does just dandy for all of that, whereas a lot of the fancy-pants “tactical” knives aren’t as useful for these tasks.
Conformer –
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Anyway this is once agian fantasy talk for I hope and don't think anyone here will be in a urban situation.
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Well, there are numerous active duty and reserve Marines and soldiers who frequent this site, and urban combat is exactly the type of combat we anticipate being involved in our next significant conflict…
Semper fi,
Bruegger out.
MeekAndMild
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Toys. 
Jake 98c/11b
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MeekAndMild, love the signature line.
Guys, I manage an indoor range and I can tell you that the average dirtbag (yes, we do see them from time to time) can definately tell the difference between a single shot and a repeater. This is a subclass of society that views weapons as a totem or power (oversimplification, yes, but true enough for this conversation) and while some mistake technicalities (Tec 9 for Uzi), they have a greater sophistication than you may imagine.
M1911, while I agree the singleshot 12 ga is formidable I too would rather have a repeater (preferably a carbine). If I were limited to the singleshot I would probably hold up in the house, with a repeater, even a sporting gun, I would be far more willing to participate in community defense. I can guarantee a gang will be far less likely to attack people armed with military style firearms because to them, unlike us, the weapon is first and the individual is second. If you don't believe this I would suggest studying the gang mentality, I did and I was suprised by what I learned. It is a different way of thinking that was entirely foreign to me. Reminded me of a seminar I attended on the dangers of cultural bias in Intelligence (98c in my name is one of my military jobs = Intelligence). We need to learn to think like the enemy, not how I would think if I were the enemy. Don't make assumptions based on your limited observations, research research research. Most of us here complain about how shooters, shooting sports and guns are represented by the media and entertainment industry. Most people receive their education on gangs from the same source.
The whole idea is to avoid a fight. If I can do that by scaring off the predator I will, if not I want the best tool available. There is no such thing as overkill if I am defending my family (i.e. better far too much than one too few).
Grinch made the best point of all however. I run (hate it but I do) and workout and I think the benefits are well worth the price. I think about Jack LaLane, the old fitness guru who while in his 80s was in far better shape than most people in their 20s. We would all be lucky to do as well in our 60s as he was at the time of his death at 84.
Guys, I manage an indoor range and I can tell you that the average dirtbag (yes, we do see them from time to time) can definately tell the difference between a single shot and a repeater. This is a subclass of society that views weapons as a totem or power (oversimplification, yes, but true enough for this conversation) and while some mistake technicalities (Tec 9 for Uzi), they have a greater sophistication than you may imagine.
M1911, while I agree the singleshot 12 ga is formidable I too would rather have a repeater (preferably a carbine). If I were limited to the singleshot I would probably hold up in the house, with a repeater, even a sporting gun, I would be far more willing to participate in community defense. I can guarantee a gang will be far less likely to attack people armed with military style firearms because to them, unlike us, the weapon is first and the individual is second. If you don't believe this I would suggest studying the gang mentality, I did and I was suprised by what I learned. It is a different way of thinking that was entirely foreign to me. Reminded me of a seminar I attended on the dangers of cultural bias in Intelligence (98c in my name is one of my military jobs = Intelligence). We need to learn to think like the enemy, not how I would think if I were the enemy. Don't make assumptions based on your limited observations, research research research. Most of us here complain about how shooters, shooting sports and guns are represented by the media and entertainment industry. Most people receive their education on gangs from the same source.
The whole idea is to avoid a fight. If I can do that by scaring off the predator I will, if not I want the best tool available. There is no such thing as overkill if I am defending my family (i.e. better far too much than one too few).
Grinch made the best point of all however. I run (hate it but I do) and workout and I think the benefits are well worth the price. I think about Jack LaLane, the old fitness guru who while in his 80s was in far better shape than most people in their 20s. We would all be lucky to do as well in our 60s as he was at the time of his death at 84.