Uncle Ethan
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I bought a Z-999 [improved copy of a Sig-P226] and it came today to my gun store. It came with only one magazine, anyone know where to buy additional magazines?
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Zastava 999
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It isn't really a 226 at all. Much closer to a P88.
Anyway, these should fit - the 999 is just an update on the CZ-99. I'd call and ask before ordering, though:
http://www.cdnnsports.com/magazines/ez-kbi-cz99-9-15rd-fact.html#.U-6xnflZ2q0
Anyway, these should fit - the 999 is just an update on the CZ-99. I'd call and ask before ordering, though:
http://www.cdnnsports.com/magazines/ez-kbi-cz99-9-15rd-fact.html#.U-6xnflZ2q0
There are also mags that work with a little work on the mag catch slot. Check this site for some good info on the 99/999 Zastava's:
http://www.cz99.org/
http://www.cz99.org/
That of course is up to the individual but Beretta 92 mags can be found anywhere and will be for the foreseeable future including in bulk at gun shows, often pretty cheap. CDNN is great and I do a fair amount of business with them but you didn't add $9.95 shipping (+tax if in TX.) and while they have them today, they might not tomorrow or next week and when they're gone they may never be back. CDNN is a liquidator, not a stocking dealer. When you invest in a niche gun it's good to know your options.
Uncle Ethan
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Thanks to all for the info. I used the link and bought 2 mags, hopefully they will be in stock. I am unfamiliar with the CZ weapons, but have Sig P-220 and P-226. Except for the hammer drop and controls being combined and ambi [and the weapon being not as bulky] it seems to be pretty much the same as my Sigs. However with the price I won't be as unhappy losing it to impound if it ever is needed for self defense. I would hate to lose either my 1911's or my Sigs to Court impounds that never seem to be released.
It isn't really a niche gun. It is a currently produced and imported gun. CDNN has good prices, but you can buy CZ-999 mags from other sources.
Ethan, it is Sig-like enough, but mainly aesthetically. If the slide was a different shape you probably wouldn't have thought it was based on a Sig at all.
The ambi slide, magazine and decocker controls are pretty cool. I'd call it an improvement on the basic 220 design.
Ethan, it is Sig-like enough, but mainly aesthetically. If the slide was a different shape you probably wouldn't have thought it was based on a Sig at all.
The ambi slide, magazine and decocker controls are pretty cool. I'd call it an improvement on the basic 220 design.
However with the price I won't be as unhappy losing it to impound if it ever is needed for self defense. I would hate to lose either my 1911's or my Sigs to Court impounds that never seem to be released.
I'll keep saying this. If I came to you today and said that for $800 I could save your life you wouldn't pay it, but if I said $500 you would? I am in no way saying you need to spend $800 for a decent gun. But the idea that cost should mean you carry something other than what you prefer is crazy to me. Unless it's an antique, out of production, or a family heirloom, it can be replaced. You can't. Carry what works best for you. If I lose my carry gun in the process of saving my life it will be the best investment I ever made.
The 999 is a 1st quality service pistol. The current US production Sigs are not.
I would disagree that current production US SIGs are subpar. And yes I've owned both new and old, 11 of them I think.
It is a nice idea, but doesn't have any application to this topic.
Seeing as how the OP brought it up, I think it does. Part of the reason for the OP buying the Zastava in the first place is he is afraid of the cost of replacing his SIG. I am merely suggesting that he doesn't need to worry about it and can save himself the money. Ball is in his court.
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Then you should spend some time on Sigforum, or read more articles by former Sig employee Todd Green.
Todd's current carry gun is a US production SIG P229. He switched to it after his recent sickness as he felt it offered him the best performance given his current ailments. I am well aware of Todd Green and the Sig forums. pistol-training.com is an excellent resource for any shooter.
Would you have posted if he said Glock rather than CZ-999?
Yes I would and I have before. I didn't in any way say anything negative about the Zastava, now did I? Assumptions are unwarranted.
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So the point your making is that people should carry their most expensive gun, because an expensive gun is more likely to save your life?
It strikes me that the OP prefers a roughly Sig-like gun that he won't be inhibited in its use by concerns outside self defense. You seem to be saying that such feelings are wrong, so people should carry guns that make them uncomfortable.
I'm sure Todd is comfortable with his 229 because he's shot it so much.
Ultimately, your argument is to favor your bias toward a gun and ignore a different bias. It seems the OP has found his happy balance that won't negatively impact his street decisions, and that's a good thing.
It strikes me that the OP prefers a roughly Sig-like gun that he won't be inhibited in its use by concerns outside self defense. You seem to be saying that such feelings are wrong, so people should carry guns that make them uncomfortable.
I'm sure Todd is comfortable with his 229 because he's shot it so much.
Ultimately, your argument is to favor your bias toward a gun and ignore a different bias. It seems the OP has found his happy balance that won't negatively impact his street decisions, and that's a good thing.
So the point your making is that people should carry their most expensive gun, because an expensive gun is more likely to save your life?
Actually no, which is why I said:
TunnelRat said:I am in no way saying you need to spend $800 for a decent gun.
You seem to be saying that such feelings are wrong, so people should carry guns that make them uncomfortable.
Once again no, which is why I said:
TunnelRat said:Carry what works best for you.
By that I meant carry what you shoot the best and is of a size and weight that is comfortable for you to carry.
Ultimately, your argument is to favor your bias toward a gun and ignore a different bias.
That's not my argument at all, and I'd really appreciate if you would stop making up statements and assigning them to me arbitrarily. Enough is enough. I said my piece for the OP to consider.
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I read TunnelRat's comment as, "Don't worry about cost when choosing a firearm for SD." I agree.
If your BEST option (the gun you have the most confidence in) costs $300, roll with it; but if your BEST option costs $1,300, don't carry a $300 gun for fear of the monetary loss.
I've always looked at a carry gun similarly to how I look at a helmet; "If I were going to crash today, what would I want to be wearing?" Choose accordingly.
Larry
If your BEST option (the gun you have the most confidence in) costs $300, roll with it; but if your BEST option costs $1,300, don't carry a $300 gun for fear of the monetary loss.
I've always looked at a carry gun similarly to how I look at a helmet; "If I were going to crash today, what would I want to be wearing?" Choose accordingly.
Larry
Knightsofnee
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Please don't confuse this Balkan contraption with anything that comes from Ceska Zbrojovka. They are completely unrelated.
LockedBreech
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The 999 is a 1st quality service pistol. The current US production Sigs are not.
I disagree with you about the quality of current Sigs (established in an exchange between us in another thread), but aside from that I'm curious why the 999 gets rated a "1st quality service pistol." I know little about the design, but Wikipedia lists the users as Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, South Africa, with few specifics. By contrast, dozens if not hundreds of first-rate departments and militaries use Sigs. Sigs are very proven. Quality control burps aren't damning of quality guns. If they were, the Gen 4 transition should have wiped Glock off the map, right?
Maybe the 999 is awesome, but I just don't see where it has proven itself a "1st quality service pistol" yet.
As a poster said in tahuna's "would you rather" thread, price does not necessarily equal quality, but it usually does. I tend to agree.
Sigs have also been withdrawn from department service several times until the Sig fixer van can get done at the other departments.
The CZ-99 is a service pistol, and has been adopted as a service pistol several times over. It has also been licensed and made by two countries that don't generally screw around with crummy designs - South Africa and Israel. Apparently, being at war all the time doesn't encourage embracing junk.
We currently live in a market that is full of two kinds of service pistols - ones designed to sell to civilians, and ones designed for military sales and can pass adoption tests. The most problematic guns in the last 10 years have been that first category. The CZ-99 falls into the other. It isn't sexy, tiny, light, have a 4 pound trigger and doesn't come in fun colors. But it is solidly constructed and reliable.
This isn't a Witness or Tristar. This is a gun like the Daewoo or Makarov - a proven military piece. Like Sigs were when they were made in Germany.
The CZ-99 is a service pistol, and has been adopted as a service pistol several times over. It has also been licensed and made by two countries that don't generally screw around with crummy designs - South Africa and Israel. Apparently, being at war all the time doesn't encourage embracing junk.
We currently live in a market that is full of two kinds of service pistols - ones designed to sell to civilians, and ones designed for military sales and can pass adoption tests. The most problematic guns in the last 10 years have been that first category. The CZ-99 falls into the other. It isn't sexy, tiny, light, have a 4 pound trigger and doesn't come in fun colors. But it is solidly constructed and reliable.
This isn't a Witness or Tristar. This is a gun like the Daewoo or Makarov - a proven military piece. Like Sigs were when they were made in Germany.
LockedBreech
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Sigs have also been withdrawn from department service several times until the Sig fixer van can get done at the other departments.
Can you name a single well-established brand of service pistol that hasn't been withdrawn from service at some point? For maintenance or other issues? If not, I'd suggest that pistol hasn't been a service pistol long enough. HKs have. Glocks have. Berettas have. Rugers have. Smiths have. Is there any evidence that the Sig withdrawals have been disproportionately high?
The CZ-99 is a service pistol, and has been adopted as a service pistol several times over. It has also been licensed and made by two countries that don't generally screw around with crummy designs - South Africa and Israel. Apparently, being at war all the time doesn't encourage embracing junk.
Again, that's a very small sample. It might well mean it's a great pistol, but you posted that it was a "1st quality service pistol." In my eyes, a handful of smaller military forces for a relatively short time aren't enough to bear that out. Again, it may be true, but "1st quality" suggests it's on the same level as guns like Glocks, Sigs, and HKs. I just don't see the evidence it's that proven. Nothing against the gun, 10 years from now it may have really shown its worth, but a service weapon doesn't just automatically get the stamp of being "1st quality". It has to earn that reputation over time and over a wide variety of service conditions. That's my opinion only.
This is a gun like the Daewoo or Makarov - a proven military piece. Like Sigs were when they were made in Germany.
Both the Daewoo and Makarov have longer service records, although I'll grant that the Daewoo is geographically limited. Also, as before, we disagree on Sigs. I believe Sigs are absolutely proven military pistols (the classic P-line, anyway). A handful of design flops and highly internet-broadcast quality control burps aren't to be ignored, but they don't demolish the pedigree of a pistol that took decades to earn it. Again, if that were the case, we would talk about Glocks the same way.