Will there ever be a rifle caliber pistol?
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zincwarrior
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Just off the top of my head: items you can get in both:
.45 long colt lever action and pistol
.357 lever action and pistol
.44 mag lever action and pistol
.22LR: the one the only the now mythically hard to find ammo for
.30 cal M1 Carbine: rifle and revolver
.22WMR
and as a bonus:
.410 shotgun and revolver
.45 long colt lever action and pistol
.357 lever action and pistol
.44 mag lever action and pistol
.22LR: the one the only the now mythically hard to find ammo for
.30 cal M1 Carbine: rifle and revolver
.22WMR
and as a bonus:
.410 shotgun and revolver
Corrections Cop
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.30 Cal Auto Loader
David spargenator
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What about like real rifle rounds. Like 223, 243. In a concealable pistol design. Like a glock. I think if a manufacturer made something like that they'd sell a lot.
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tony pasley
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Rifle cals. in pistols has been around for a couple of hundred years the rifle cal came first the the pistol followed, .31,.36, .45, .50, .68 those are from the 1700's and late 1800's it was not uncommon for rifles and pistols to be the same cal.
yeah, theres only so big you can go in the pistol grip and still be able to put your hand around it, try putting your hand around a box off 233 and add an inch for the grip(could YOU still pull the trigger?? doubt it)
also, you say that rifle rounds have so much more power, but a 223 out of a 4inch barrel would probably have similar velocity of a 357mag, but with a 55-75gr bullet
also, you say that rifle rounds have so much more power, but a 223 out of a 4inch barrel would probably have similar velocity of a 357mag, but with a 55-75gr bullet
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Unless you want to hand load for single shot pistols like the Contender, you have to wonder why a pistol in a rifle caliber? With commercial loads, you'll lose a ton of velocity due to unburnt powder. The unburnt powder and gas will increase recoil over pistol rounds with similar weight bullets and muzzle velocities. The terminal ballistics of most commercial rifle bullets will suffer because they are designed for higher velocities and will probably perform worse than comparable pistol bullets designed for pistol velocities.
I'll give you an example. M183 rounds (55 gr. FMJ) do their damage due to fragmentation which becomes very iffy below about 2600 fps. According to Ballistics by the Inch, a 55 gr. Rem. UMC .223 round achieved a muzzle velocity of 1564 fps out of four inch test barrel and 2983 fps out of an 18 inch test barrel. Thus, shooting this bullet from a four inch barreled handgun in a defensive situation will likely result in the bullet passing through the body of the bad guy (if it doesn't hit bone) and result in much less damage than if fired from a longer barrel. A Corbon 125 gr. +P JHP from a four inch test barrel traveled at 1226 fps and I guarantee it will do more damage than the .223 from a short barrel. As others have mentioned, there's also the problem of fitting rifle bullets in a grip frame of a pistol if you want a pistol that is really concealable or carry friendly.
Now, if you just want to blast some rounds off for the fun of it, that's a different story.
I'll give you an example. M183 rounds (55 gr. FMJ) do their damage due to fragmentation which becomes very iffy below about 2600 fps. According to Ballistics by the Inch, a 55 gr. Rem. UMC .223 round achieved a muzzle velocity of 1564 fps out of four inch test barrel and 2983 fps out of an 18 inch test barrel. Thus, shooting this bullet from a four inch barreled handgun in a defensive situation will likely result in the bullet passing through the body of the bad guy (if it doesn't hit bone) and result in much less damage than if fired from a longer barrel. A Corbon 125 gr. +P JHP from a four inch test barrel traveled at 1226 fps and I guarantee it will do more damage than the .223 from a short barrel. As others have mentioned, there's also the problem of fitting rifle bullets in a grip frame of a pistol if you want a pistol that is really concealable or carry friendly.
Now, if you just want to blast some rounds off for the fun of it, that's a different story.
Big bore revolvers, loaded with heavyweight hard cast bullets, are a proven combination for hunters or others looking for handguns with the best chance of stopping dangerous animals. Look for 1980's articles by Ross Seyfried. Elmer Keith and ranchers have done similar for the big bulls and wild animals they deal with as well.
The 5" Coonan 357Magnum 1911 gets surprising results as well. Much better than we might expect.
The 5" Coonan 357Magnum 1911 gets surprising results as well. Much better than we might expect.
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chris in va
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The FN P90 was introduced in 1990. The Five-Seven pistol came out in 2000. The round was originally intended for use in the rifle and is a rifle round, albeit small.
Theohazard
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David spargenator said:
How in the world are you going to fit a magazine of .223 or .243 rounds into a concealable pistol design? Grab an AR-15 magazine: That would have to fit inside the grip of a handgun chambered in .223. Nobody with regular human-sized hands would be able to hold this handgun with anything resembling a normal handgun grip. And the grip for a .243 would be even bigger; about the size of an AR-10 magazine.
Also, rifle rounds have much higher chamber pressures than handguns. A .223 makes as much as 55,000 PSI and a .243 makes as much as 60,000 PSI; compare that to a 9mm's 35,000 PSI. This means you're going to need the handgun to be bigger and heavier in order to handle the higher pressure; it would almost certainly have to be gas-operated like the Desert Eagle.
So now we have a handgun that's heavier and larger than a normal handgun, and has a grip that's too large for anyone to hold. And for what? With the short barrel our rifle rounds have lost a HUGE amount of velocity and are ridiculously loud. Rifles are designed to shoot a small-caliber bullet at very high velocities out of a long barrel. But when you shorten the barrel too much you lose a large percentage of the velocity that makes rifle rounds so effective out of a normal barrel.
Rifle rounds are too long and too powerful to fit in a concealable pistol design. And with the short barrel you'd loose too much of the velocity advantage anyway. There's a reason pistol rounds are designed the way they are.