Why Wal-Mart is always out of ammunition...

[lcpiper]

The DHS induced shortage is real. Just not quite the way it is laid out in the media.

No way, man we used to burn ammo like you wouldn't believe in the Army. And DHS isn't shooting .22LR or a half dozen other shortage calibers.

Like others have said, we are creating our own shortage. It's like a feeding frenzy. These guys walking in and buying every box they can and hoarding it or flipping it. Guys setting a "stash size", several thousand of this and several thousand of that. No wonder a guy like me can't just walk in and buy one box of .22LR at any of the 7 stores in my town that sell it.

I have a brand new .22LR that I haven't shot once since I bought it a month ago cause I can't get ammo to shoot thru it.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I was in a Wally's for regular shopping and saw two boxes of 50 9mms. So I said to the clerk - gimme! She said - Oh, could you leave just one. The boss wanted them.

NO. BTW, I use these for matches and not for my flipper stash.

Anyone who buys a brick of 22 LR at 200 bucks - what can I say about common sense?

 

[Milsurp70]

The Walmart by me only lets you get 3 boxes per person. They rarely have any. I did make it there the other night and they still had 7.62x39. I got my 3 boxes. Just missed the .223

 

[thallub]

The DHS induced shortage is real. Just not quite the way it is laid out in the media. Just a 50 million round demand (immediate order to be filled) from the government on its dedicated 1.6 - 2 billion round contracted commitments can cause a serious setback for getting ammunition to the civilian sector.

Show me where the US DHS has contract commitments for the acceptance of 1.6-2 billion rounds of ammunition. Google up IDIQ=Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity.

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/103926

This is the ATK (Federal contract):

ANOKA, Minn., March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- ATK (NYSE: ATK) announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...nd-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-142304055.html

 

[chiefr]

I can honestly say our Walmart is allowing 2 boxes per customer. There are those who are extremely upset over this practice.

 

[gvw3]

Cabela's sells out in about an hour. They get ammo delivery's Sunday night. They are stocked for Monday morning. At the open at 9 am there are 75 to 100 people waiting to get in. By 10 am they are sold out. Same thing for Wednesday.

If you can only get there on the week end or after work you will not get any.

 

[Come and take it.]

If you read into the DHS ammo contract it is as I have said...

They don't have to buy any of the ammo they contracted for.... or they can buy all of it.

What it does do is that when the Feds request ammo that they are given priority over the civilian market. Just an immediate request for 50 million rounds is enough to put the production line in a jam.

Also consider that early on people may (this is hypothetical) may have been pulled off production lines that were not considered in jeopardy at the time to help out on the production lines to meet the DHS ammo request....

Than the 22lr panic hit and by the time they put emphasis back on 22lr production it was too late to stop the shortage.

Any time they near meeting the DHS requirement the department can put in for another immediate request for another 50 million rounds. I listened to an interview with an ammo manufacturer who laid out what was going on.

It is part of the overall contract that the government gets priority.

Infantry soldiers going into deployment are of course going to be shooting a lot of ammo. But I bet during training it isn't near as much as you would have us believe. If the military is anything like it was when I was in they can be awfully tight with their munitions expenditure in training.

Out of the 250,000 employees of the deparment of homeland security only about 50,000 are agents, and even fewer are ones that would fill a role where they will be in the public armed. So yes I have a problem buying that the DHS can use that much ammo for training.

There are agents who will never leave their desk but push pencils all day long 5 days a week.

qualification for most of the agents may only be a few hundred rounds at most. Only the ones trained for tactical scenarios such as might be expected from state police in some circumstances would train with over a thousand rounds of ammo a year.

Furthermore although the DHS has not grown agent wise over the years why would the latest contract with intention to purchase be significantly higher than any previous intent to buy contract?

I don't believe personally the DHS is preparing for civil unrest but I definitely agree this was put in place in anticipation of using it as a way to deprive gun owners of access to ammunition as a way to limit the stocking up of ammo like they claim is a hallmark action when planning a mass murder.

It is behind the scenes Executive action and it was put in place ahead of the presidential election because whether Sandy Hook happened or not they were planning to enact a gun control move during Obama's second term.

Especially hollow points.

What I see happening is that one day the DHS will either destroy the ammo when it gets too old or it will flood the surplus market.

 

[noelf2]

Double Naught Spy:

First hand accounts? So you are saying there are forum members involved in such goings-on?

How the heck did you get that from what I said??? I didn't say forum members were involved in such goings-on. There are forum members who have questioned the clerks, and found them to be lying. To say that is just "rumor" is to be calling those forum members liars. You went there, not me.

 

[Evan Thomas]

Bickering, conspiracies... I think this has gone as far as it needs to.