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Gun Owners of America

John McCain Is A Liberal Gun Grabber
by
Pastor Chuck Baldwin
As published at NewsWithViews
The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.

Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.

Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.

For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.

But there is so much more to the McCain madness.

Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

"Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."

Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).

I wonder how many gun owners and other professing pro-freedom Americans have already fallen victim to McCain's phony conservative campaign? Do they not realize that they are giving a rope to the hangman? And that they--conservatives and gun owners--are the ones who McCain will send to the gallows? What is wrong with the American people these days? Have they not been betrayed enough by these phony conservative Republicans?

For example, President George W. Bush recently nominated Michael Sullivan to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Sullivan is one of the nation's most rabid anti-gunners. GOA's Larry Pratt describes Sullivan as being "as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy." Honest gun owners, lawful firearms dealers, and law-abiding gun show operators could have no worse enemy within the federal government than Michael Sullivan. We could expect no worse from Hillary Clinton. And a John McCain Presidency would doubtless give us more of the same.

Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul. He has a 20-year proven track record of fidelity to the right to keep and bear arms. The GOA rates Congressman Paul with a grade of A+. According to GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt, Ron Paul has been a leader in the fight to defend and restore the Second Amendment. He has sponsored legislation to repeal the following: the Brady law; the requirement to lock up your guns; the law permitting the U.S. to be part of the U.N (which, among other attacks on American freedoms, seeks to ban privately transferred firearms); participation in UNESCO; federal prohibitions on any pilot wishing to carry a handgun to and in his cockpit; and the so-called "assault weapons" ban (prior to its sunsetting in 2004).

Ron Paul has also sponsored legislation requiring states to treat the concealed carry permit of one state the same as they do that state's driver's license. Dr. Paul also opposes a national ID card, which would be a tool of government to identify gun ownership.

Gun owners (along with conservatives and Christians of all sorts) should be ashamed of themselves for allowing an angry, gun-grabbing liberal such as John McCain to become the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, while rejecting the candidacy of one of America's most principled pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution, and pro-freedom legislators of this generation: Congressman Ron Paul.

I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.
 

STAGE 2

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On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

And what has the GOA done for gun owners?


Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul.

And how many pro 2A bills has Paul gotten passed?



I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.

So what is the alternative?
 

FireMax

New member
I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.

Amen to that.
 
Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency

Another reminder of why I let my membership in GOA expire and haven't renewed it.

John McCain is an anti-Constitutionalist ****, but his record on second amendment issues is in the C+ to B- range. he is hardly a gun-grabber and is far better than Obama.

If, as seems likely, the Dems gain veto proof majorities in Congress soon, an Obama Presidency will be a disaster for gun rights.
 
Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul.

Another example of the GOA's flawed logic.

Ron Paul voted AGAINST the only significant piece of pro-gun legislation to pass into law in the last 15 years: the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act which protects gun manufacturers against junk lawsuits. John McCain, who is a **** to be sure, voted FOR the PLCAA. And GOA therefore concludes that Ron Paul is BETTER for RKBA than McCain?
 

miboso

New member
It should be obvious that Paul's vote was not based on being anti-gun, but on what the federal governments constitutional role is. So, should he ignore the constitution? Sometimes following the constitution means you just have to say no to some things that would benefit you.
Should our new motto be:
I don't care about the Constitution, just give me what I want!
 

Fremmer

New member
What is this?

Simple: it's a silly article written by a silly libertarian who is angry because another libertarian (Ron Paul) is unelectable. :rolleyes:

the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA)

Highly respected? LOL. :barf: The GOA can't even correctly interpret Federal statutes. They accomplish nothing. They are great with complaining, though. They are the most highly respected complainers in the world. I'm complaining that the GOA doesn't complain enough. If the GOA would just complain more, then they'd accomplish even less than nothing. Sort of like the libertarian party. :D

Liberal neo-cons! Zionist conspiracy! The sky is falling! GOA! Ron Paul! :rolleyes:
 
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hammer4nc

Moderator
If, as seems likely, the Dems gain veto proof majorities in Congress soon, an Obama Presidency will be a disaster for gun rights.

And if President McCain is faced with a veto-proof democrat majority, how fast will he "go along" to preserve the appearance of unity? Do you think he as the guts to rack up a 2-year string of overridden vetoes, in the prospect of a congressional recapture in 2010 (recall 1994 congress)? Idealist, he's not.

Arguably, the prospect is only slightly less worse with McCain as president. Some may even say that it would be better (long term) to let Dems "not share the blame" for the next four years, assuming TSHTF on a number of fronts.:eek:
 
It should be obvious that Paul's vote was not based on being anti-gun

Agreed. Ron Paul is definitely not anti-gun.

He is very ignorant of Constitutional Law however, which led him to cast a bad vote against the PLCAA.

And the net effect is the same. Paul was joined in his vote against the PLCAA by Ted Kennedy, Diane Finestein, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, and the rest of the grabbers.
 
And if President McCain is faced with a veto-proof democrat majority, how fast will he "go along" to preserve the appearance of unity? Do you think he as the guts to rack up a 2-year string of overridden vetoes, in the prospect of a congressional recapture in 2010 (recall 1994 congress)? Idealist, he's not.

Yep, he might. That's why I don't support him for the Presidency.

Obama is 100% certain to push for new gun control laws. McCain is far less likely to do that.

McCain is a ****, but he's better than Obama.
 

hammer4nc

Moderator
Yep, he might. That's why I don't support him for the Presidency.
Unless there's a typo in there, I'm confused...one gets the impression from prior posts that you do support McCain, as the lesser of evils candidate.:confused:
 

miboso

New member
hammer, It's like I said earlier, they don't like McCain, but he is "Republican" so they have to vote for him.

The whole situation of pro-gunners and Republicans is similar to blacks and the Democrats. They take them for granted because where else are they going to go. Certainly not to the other big party, and as we have seen here, absolutely not to a third party. As long as they get a little lip service from time to time, all is well.
 

STAGE 2

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It should be obvious that Paul's vote was not based on being anti-gun, but on what the federal governments constitutional role is. So, should he ignore the constitution? Sometimes following the constitution means you just have to say no to some things that would benefit you.

And it has already been pointed out that this legislation was constitutional. The good doctor never gave a reason for opposing this law other than "its not constitutional". That doesn't fly.
 

Hawg

New member
You RP Koolaid drinkers are hilarious. Grasping any straw you can to keep your hopes up that he'll do the impossible. :D:D:D
 
You RP Koolaid drinkers are hilarious. Grasping any straw you can to keep your hopes up that he'll do the impossible.


Atleast we have hope, Your just settling :eek:and probably going to lose anyways.:eek: Can't you allready picture a Bball court behind the white house:eek:
 

Hawg

New member
Atleast we have hope, Your just settling and probably going to lose anyways. Can't you allready picture a Bball court behind the white house

I can picture a lot of things except me doing something to help put a bball court behind the White House.;)
 
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