imthegrumpyone
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dchi--Could use a few more real "Dirty Harry's" today I feel for you guys
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What happened to the good ole days?
- Thread starter SpookBoy
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Sadly I was forced to resign. Excessive use of force but I never physical touched the perp. Harsh words and a threat was enough. They teach you to say Sir and Mam when talking to people and be polite in the accadamy but try that on the streets with some gang bangers or just anyone who hates cops and they'll be in your face in a second. (very dangerous for officers). My second incident a year later. I had a semi auto AK47 in my patrol car. We did not have a patrol rifle policy at the time. Just about every cop had and AR15 in the trunk but nobody said anything. THis was after the Hollywood shoot out and around the time they were having the DC sniper on the loose. Long story short I had gotten it out once when shots were being fired from an unknown shooter. I never fired a shot or even aimed it at anyone. When the Brass found out I was done. Their argument was it didn't matter if some one was shooting, what would the public say to the police carrying AK47's and what would happend if I had shot some one with a gun that I didn't qualify with in the department. Alot of people say good I desserved it and think all cops are ego freaks. There are a few, but most of the new breed of officers worry more about their jobs and not getting into a law suit than protecting the public. I don't blame them after what happend to me and some others I know. That's why you see so many cops at the convient store drinking coffee. You make the same $18-22 an hour there too as you do cruising the projects. Stay safe practice with you CCW.
Well, there are some good police top end guys. The local armour, also retired SWAT, bought Sig P220's for the department, but, they still have shotguns in the trunk.
Our local police chief hasn't issued a CCW in 32 years. I work, in another capacity for another police chief, and, likewise, he too begged off the issue.
I guess some of them aren't.
Come to think of it, the first guy is a bit whacked as well, but, that's another story.
Wonder if it's the politics, seeing nothing but bad people all the time, or the general culture?
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Our local police chief hasn't issued a CCW in 32 years. I work, in another capacity for another police chief, and, likewise, he too begged off the issue.
I guess some of them aren't.
Come to think of it, the first guy is a bit whacked as well, but, that's another story.
Wonder if it's the politics, seeing nothing but bad people all the time, or the general culture?
S
Whirlwind06
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The problem comes from society. The public does not respect officers the same way as they did in the 50's or even as late as the 70's. Back then you could pistol wip some one or crack them in head with a night stick if they were getting out of line.
Yep those were the good old days alright. Hippies and minorities getting the crap beat out of them. And the cop say he fell with a wink. Yeah... miss those times.
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The problem comes from society. The public does not respect officers the same way as they did in the 50's or even as late as the 70's. Back then you could pistol wip some one or crack them in head with a night stick if they were getting out of line.
Yep those were the good old days alright. Hippies and minorities getting the crap beat out of them. And the cop say he fell with a wink. Yeah... miss those times.
It's always been mainly blacks, and in areas racism thrives.
The problem is somewhat one of respect, and, understanding civil rights. The intention of the first amendment has been blunted by the Supreme Court to mean that you do not have the right to encourage violence in mobs, yell fire in a theatre, etc. With lawsuits, that seems to have been extended to you don't have to treat police with respect, nor teachers, though the morons usually learn in court they better shut up, because judges don't seem to care about your first amendment right to be a loud mouth idiot, rather they balance the benefits of an orderly judicial process against the first amendment, and, decide the first amendment should take second place.
What's lost on the average moron is that as they go up the ladder, they do run into levels of law, or society, that prohibit First Amendment idiocy. I watched a kid swear at a principal. He will no longer be at the school. If he does it to me, he'll probably get two or three chances, then do it to the principal, then be kicked to another school.
He does that in court, he's in jail, for the judges' feeling of
how long was proper. Contempt doesn't have much other then the judge's general opinion as far as penalty goes.
What I'm getting at is Freedom of action or speech is now balanced against the orderly society, and, can, and will be limited accordingly.
The real situation is simple now. BEAT the TAPE. As a referee, I have to make sure that my actions are justified, and, that a coach or fan was clearly warned about their actions, prior to any punitive action. Just think that all your actions are on video, with no sound, and, you have the situation you have to deal with.
As there were sadistic cops there are also situations where violence by a police officer is justified. You just have to be in a situation where the verbal abuse, attempt to encourage violence is tape able, and, clear. That's part of the problem. An officer, unless audio is recording, can't respond to verbal threats, and, has to wait for the bad guy to do something that justifies his response. That's NOT a good situation to be in, no matter how well you are trained.
It also takes away the ability to preempt, or head off violence with a show of force, or minimal force intended to prevent larger violence.
I suspect that as gangs are recognized as the severe threat they are to our current form of government, and, even Fienstien and Boxer are making noises about it, which means it must be REALLY bad, police are going to be empowered with more latitude to deal with the situations that arise.
As long as police chiefs are elected officials, as are DA's, the system will be run by politics, and, just like public schools, you are going to be the tail on the dog if you are the teacher, or the officer. Welcome to my world...
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To be fair and honest I saw saw some things that happend that I didn't agree with but I still believe the good of the many outweighed the need of the few. And I don't believe everyone needed a crack in the head but a few really do. The revolving door policy with criminal justice system, that used to be their only punishment. What you see on TV is often a 10-15 sec clip of the aftermath of a dangerous chase, heated confrontation, or situation where the officer could not get cooperation or compliance from the person(s) by using a strong voice.