Thoughts on the new Mossberg MC1 Subcompact?

[Lohman446]

The bashing is not so much bashing - for all we know it is far superior to Glock in quality. The question is how did this happen?

Who in Mossberg went to some VP and said "let's make a sub $500 polymer striker fired pistol with a 7 round capacity. We'll use CLEAR magazines"

And then they actually looked at the market and decided to go ahead with it because there are not already a billion available without differentiating themselves from that billion

 

[TBM900]

I really don't think I'm missing the point, I simply don't think the same as you. I'm also not sure how we've never seen bans as these when we literally went through an assault weapons ban. But I'm likely entirely wrong and will soon realize the error of my ways. Have a good one.

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The AWB ended over a decade ago and had no real teeth towards the end user other than driving certain prices up. The leftists are getting smarter in their approach and actually starting to draw some real blood while showing no signs of giving up.

As for the rest, again do not take my word for it, ask the manufactures themselves what they are gearing up for.

 

[TBM900]

Which 'nation wide bans' are headed our way? DEMs control only 1/3 of the US law making structure and 2/3 are controlled by the GOP..ANYTHING written by the DEM House will either be not voted on by the Senate or not signed by trump..the sky isn't falling. It may be in your state but 'nation wide'? Nope.

Seems your only seeing the path at your feet instead of looking down the trail.

 

[TBM900]

It seems they have a slightly different grip. More like the 1911 style. That should be interesting. I have always enjoyed how those style grips have felt in the hand. P238 etc.

Yes the feel is different.
I haven’t shot one but I have had it in my hands and it will appeal to people as it is different, just as many will like the feel of a Glock but not that of a Sig.... and vice versa. I say, the more options the better.

I will also say that I liked the straight trigger, but only having dry fired it. I’ve had a chance to fire a handful of race guns that used straight triggers and I’ve always been intrigued by them.

 

[TBM900]

I shot the 365, a very nice gun, but not a game changer. It might surprise some folks, but not everyone feels they need more rounds. And why would I want a gun that will not even fit my hand?
The Mossberg takes a good platform and just might make it better. Man I bet that would stir the pot with some folks How dare them!
I fully expect to see all kinds of Bashing just like the 365 took. Some Glock folks will be out in full force. Probably a lot of Sig fans as well. Buckle up your seat belts boy's, it is going to be a wild ride!

Agreed on all points!

 

[jmhyer]

I think the only way this pistol makes any real waves is if it turns out to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P and the street price comes in at $350 or less.

 

[K_Mac]

I like the looks of it. It sounds like a nice addition to the concealed carry market and I look forward to giving one a try. I agree that that the row hoeing will be challenging for it in a very tough field.

TBM900 it is possible that you have vision greater than me and others, but I am also not convinced that the sky is falling in regard to handgun capacity limits. As Tunnelrat said that market represents a very large pie. Even a small piece is potentially worth significant profit. You've made your point. This thread is about Mossberg's new pistol not gun control.

 

[TunnelRat]

I think the only way this pistol makes any real waves is if it turns out to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P and the street price comes in at $350 or less.

Problem with that is you can find the Shield 2.0 for that price with some degree of regularity. I wonder what price it needs to overcome the familiarity of those other designs?

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[KyJim]

In response to those voicing reservations about Mossberg entering the market:

1. Unlike Remington before it entered the handgun market, Mossberg has maintained a solid reputation for good firearms at reasonable prices.

2. Unlike Remington which took an unusual (and old) design approach, Mossberg has added tweaks to handguns known to be reliable. Obviously, they can fail in the execution, but, teething issues aside, I forsee a reliable handgun.

3. The polymer handguns are relatively cheap to make and I'm guessing Mossberg doesn't have a ton of money tied up in R&D. That means they can make a profit at a lower volume than some or at a lower price point than some.

4. The ability to use Glock 43 mags would seem a pretty big deal to me if I had a Glock 43 and wanted to try another gun. I would not have to reinvest all that money on mags.

The clear mags are definitely a gimmick, but some people will like

 

[OhioGuy]

I think it's about time somebody came up with a polymer-framed, single stack 9mm pistol!

Honestly it's very, very difficult to see what isn't "hey, look, another one" about this pistol. P365 may not have changed the game completely, but it does change the expectation about what's possible in a given space. Glock will push out a 43X and 48 and everyone is already asking what's novel about that -- and the answer is nothing. It's almost like, why make a brand new product and come to the market if you can't at least match that?

There's very little left that someone can innovate with in this segment. Sig has increased capacity. More and more are shipping with standard night sights. Walther has topped their PPS with a subcompact red dot sight.

I dunno. It might be the best single stack 9 ever created, but it can't be THAT much better than what's already out there. Seems like a very uphill battle to fight for a company known for shotguns. I'm sure I'll try one out if I come across a rental, but I just can't imagine it's enough superior to the PPS I already have that I'd consider buying one.

 

[TBM900]

You've made your point. This thread is about Mossberg's new pistol not gun control.

Then why do people (including yourself) keep bringing it up?

Again, I responded specifically to somome wondering about such an entry into today's market, and gave my opinion based on personal observations based speaking quite a number of manufacturers over the last two years.....then moved on. But my opinion seems to have triggered a few people that then chose to try and create a debate. I moved in after the first post, yet you brought it up....again.

 

[TunnelRat]

Then why do people (including yourself) keep bringing it up?
Again, I responded specifically to somome wondering about such an entry into today's market, and gave my opinion based on personal observations based speaking quite a number of manufacturers over the last two years. This seemed to have triggered a few people that then chose to try and creat a debate. I moved in after the first post, yet you brought it up....again.

Who exactly was triggered? I personally made a grand total of three responses that I felt weren't either confrontational or controversial.

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[TBM900]

I think it's about time somebody came up with a polymer-framed, single stack 9mm pistol!

Honestly it's very, very difficult to see what isn't "hey, look, another one" about this pistol. P365 may not have changed the game completely, but it does change the expectation about what's possible in a given space. Glock will push out a 43X and 48 and everyone is already asking what's novel about that -- and the answer is nothing. It's almost like, why make a brand new product and come to the market if you can't at least match that?

There's very little left that someone can innovate with in this segment. Sig has increased capacity. More and more are shipping with standard night sights. Walther has topped their PPS with a subcompact red dot sight.

I dunno. It might be the best single stack 9 ever created, but it can't be THAT much better than what's already out there. Seems like a very uphill battle to fight for a company known for shotguns. I'm sure I'll try one out if I come across a rental, but I just can't imagine it's enough superior to the PPS I already have that I'd consider buying one.

There is always room for more and I was glad to see their entry.
Pondering such would be like saying...."Why is Ford/Chevy/Toyota bringing the ______ to the U.S. market as it is already saturated with vehicles." They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't believe they could compete in the current market or their perceived notion of future markets. Same for this entry.

I'm pretty stoked about it frankly, not because I think it will be the next big wonder-whatever, but simply because it is something different, choices are good. From what I could tell in handling it, I think it will be able to compete so long as reliability stays on top. When I spoke with them last year about it they eluded to Remington's R51 issues and how they were doing everything they could to not let that happen to them.

Hopefully it will be a winner.

 

[TBM900]

Who exactly was triggered? I personally made a grand total of three responses that I felt weren't either confrontational or controversial.

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Here we go again.....

But I'm moving on....again

 

[Carl the Floor Walker]

I think the only way this pistol makes any real waves is if it turns out to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P and the street price comes in at $350 or less.

There are many Pistols every bit as reliable as the Shield and Glock. That is such a mute point. Yes, if this gun actually shoots better than a Glock, with more features which it does have and at a better price point, then why knock it? The 1911 has had man different but similar models, the Ruger LCP was risen from the Keltec.
Maybe Glocks are getting stale. It seems there are more and more post alluding to this. More folks reporting failure. Glock has had a good run. Something always comes along that is a little bit better.
Mossberg just might be the one to clock the Glock.

 

[TunnelRat]

In response to those voicing reservations about Mossberg entering the market:



1. Unlike Remington before it entered the handgun market, Mossberg has maintained a solid reputation for good firearms at reasonable prices.



2. Unlike Remington which took an unusual (and old) design approach, Mossberg has added tweaks to handguns known to be reliable. Obviously, they can fail in the execution, but, teething issues aside, I forsee a reliable handgun.



3. The polymer handguns are relatively cheap to make and I'm guessing Mossberg doesn't have a ton of money tied up in R&D. That means they can make a profit at a lower volume than some or at a lower price point than some.



4. The ability to use Glock 43 mags would seem a pretty big deal to me if I had a Glock 43 and wanted to try another gun. I would not have to reinvest all that money on mags.



The clear mags are definitely a gimmick, but some people will like

I don't have anything against Mossberg. I've had mixed luck with their customer service but pretty good luck with their products. I have some confidence that this will likely be a solid entry for them. My comments comparing it to the rest of the market isn't meant to imply this will be a junk product, just an acknowledgement that they have to fight a lack of recognition in this segment where there are already solid contenders.

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[GarandTd]

The cross bolt safety is intriguing on a pistol. Has that ever been done before? I've never seen it if it has. Not sure if I'd like that. They(Mossberg) have engineered a handgun that utilizes existing mags and sights. That means they don't have to fuss with developing accessories.

 

[TunnelRat]

Here we go again.....



But I'm moving on....again

Ah, the old make statements without supporting them and then when people question you on them you respond with the lazy, "Well I shouldn't have to explain it", routine. As for moving on, I've been responding to posts actually about this product for some time. I only responded to you now because I'm curious how exactly trying to have a conversation qualified as being triggered in your view. That comment didn't strike me as "moving on", but if that's what you want I'm all for it.

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[TBM900]

In response to those voicing reservations about Mossberg entering the market:

1. Unlike Remington before it entered the handgun market, Mossberg has maintained a solid reputation for good firearms at reasonable prices.

2. Unlike Remington which took an unusual (and old) design approach, Mossberg has added tweaks to handguns known to be reliable. Obviously, they can fail in the execution, but, teething issues aside, I forsee a reliable handgun.

3. The polymer handguns are relatively cheap to make and I'm guessing Mossberg doesn't have a ton of money tied up in R&D. That means they can make a profit at a lower volume than some or at a lower price point than some.

4. The ability to use Glock 43 mags would seem a pretty big deal to me if I had a Glock 43 and wanted to try another gun. I would not have to reinvest all that money on mags.

The clear mags are definitely a gimmick, but some people will like

I'm with you on Remington.
After seeing their folly with their line of Remlins and all the problems, I was shocked to hear they were going to try a pistol again. I immediatly saw visions of all the crappy QC they were putting out and suspected the pistol would follow suit.....and it did.

But as you stated Mossberg has been staying on top of their QC so I don't have the same suspect eye towards the MC1 or what will soon follow. I suspect they are on the right track.

 

[GarandTd]

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