Random thought-What do Democrats stand for??

Superhornet

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I see a lot of hate coming from the liberal left. They appear to be against everything anyone else projects. But, they do not seem to have any program or suggestions on how to fix the problem....What are the elements of the Democrats next platform for 2008??
 

steelheart

Moderator
What do Democrats stand for?

1: Disarming the citizens of this nation.
2: No restraints on illegal aliens.
3: UN authority supercedes U.S. Constitution.
4: Absolute power with no accountability.
5: Govern by socialism.
 

Phetro

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What do Democrats Stand For?

What a can of worms! But since you asked, here is what is what the left wing wants:

1. Extreme government authority to monitor and control corporate, social, legal, medical, and personal activities as it sees fit
2. Elimination of effective weapon ownership for citizens (not for police and military, however)
3. Government-controlled wealth redistribution, from those who earn to those who demand undeservingly

This is also, not-so-ironically, a fairly accurate description of how communism works.

It is accomplished through several concurrent efforts by its supporters to gain control of public opinion, and thus, the government. Examples include:

-Gradually gaining control of media and entertainment outlets through first promotions within the industry, then extensive funding of and favoritism toward fellow leftists in the industry, and finally lack of coverage of opposing and neutral viewpoints

(Note: viewpoints are presented which appear to be neutral or opposing, but which are cleverly disguised agreements--look for "conservative" news items using terms and phrases like "democracy" instead of Constitutional Republic, "a woman's right to choose" with a convenient omission of what is being chosen, "immigrant" instead of illegal alien, "gun crime," and many more that you will notice if you pay close attention. Also watch for attempts to frame discussions in a leftist light. If an article asks the question: "Do firearms prevent crime?" it is a frame. The proper argument would certainly ignore the point altogether, as the purpose of firearms is not to prevent crime, but rather to resist tyranny and retain the ability of the People to control the government--crime prevention is a bonus.)


-Creating and marketing a public perception that identifies the Party with the bestowal and protection of additional "rights" to women and minority groups, who in combination comprise a large segment of society
-Silencing of opposition to the Party by the non-minority group (heterosexual white males in particular, but also females in many cases) by stigmatization of their history and condemnation of any pride or solidarity shown among them for any reason, while promoting the same in regard to minority groups
-Creating and marketing a public perception that identifies the Party with the bestowal of income, gifts and privileges to those who earn none, thus appealing to the natural human weakness of greed
-Creating and marketing a public perception that the individual should depend upon and defer to the collective, reinforced by stigmatization and harsh criticism of independent behavior and speech
-Promoting heavy taxation of the general populace--to reduce its ability to resist, while simultaneously increasing government power

This is just scratching the surface, I'm afraid. Leftists are weak-minded, but not stupid, I assure you. They have effectively planned and carried out this program so far, to the point that the vast majority of their target sub-groups have been successfully influenced to agree with the Party in all matters, rather than just the one for which they accepted the Party in the beginning (i.e., the targets have devolved from embracing simple single-issue "identity politics" into embracing complete socialism, thus permanently securing their votes for the Party).

There are some people who see some of what the Party does and why. There are a few people who realize most of what it does, why, and how. But I'm afraid that the wise among us are at a strong disadvantage. You see, the Party operates as a unified collective, whereas their opponents are independent thinkers who are unlikely to make an equal or greater effort to stand together in the fight against socialism--and if they were to do so, the media would immediately attack them as "bigots," "right-wing extremists," "fringe groups," and so on, to preemptively reduce their ability to gain popularity. In the end, much like we have seen across Europe and the third world, the left's insidious infiltration of government and media nets them their desired result: control of the people and the favor of the majority.

They learned a lot after watching left-wing dictators such as Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot rise and fall. They realized that merely "taking control" of a nation was insufficient--they needed control of the majority, who would then become their power source, but also that to which they would shift blame for failed policies and laws. In the USSR's case, most blame Stalin and communists for the horrible mess created. But look at England, Finland, and France, where communism (renamed "democracy" or "socialism" to be more palatable to the masses) is operating unchecked in the open! It is of some note that the word "socialism" is accepted as a valid belief system in Europe by the majority of the populace...:barf: but this is how well they learned their lesson about maintaining the appearance of serving the people.

Obvious facts like the necessity to disarm--or at least greatly reduce the effectiveness of the weapons possessed by--the general populace have not been forgotten. Unsurprisingly, the taglines and soundbites promoting this have not changed--not for lack of effort, but rather lack of substance. Emotion-based opposition to firearms ownership has been encouraged through any effective means, which includes media sensationalism of accidents, shootings of all sorts, and even the mere existence of effective weapons in society. All they need is for 51% of the nation to be weak-minded enough to be duped, and they have the entire nation.

A newer--though now decades old--idea that has netted them considerable results is the addition of "Republicans" to their roster. This creates the appearance of "bipartisanship" and thus lends credibility to their cause, provided the audience is unable to compare conservative values with modern "Republican" voting patterns and discover that many "Republicans" are communists. A large portion of the audience doesn't even care to check! What an amazing bonus to the Party. They have managed to turn the former two choices into one choice with two faces, and have made the vast majority of the audience afraid to choose anything other than one of the Party's two faces. Meanwhile, the audience is encouraged to seek material gain and mundane satisfactions, and to avoid at all costs rational contemplation of the history (and probable future) of America.
 

Eghad

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1. Extreme government authority to monitor and control corporate, social, legal, medical, and personal activities as it sees fit

wow... I am George Bush the President and I dont need no steenken warrants
from any court to monitor any activity.
 

aspen1964

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any measure to make the citizenry dependent on the Democrats in every possible part of living..thereby granting more and more power to the Democrats and less and less liberty on the citizenry...the final goal..absolute control by that kind of government..and the population in a very real type of absolute enslavement...that is the whole thing in a simple way...
 

magooch

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Eghad, before you go and get weird, you ought to know all the facts about an issue. Sounds to me like you're buying the Dumbycrat and apologist talking points. Or do you favor allowing terrorists free access to communicate with their domestic cohorts?
 

carbiner

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I've never seen a political party that was so skilled at the art of keeping racism and poverty at just the right level.

Without those two issues, the dems/libs would sink out of sight.
 

FirstFreedom

Moderator
at the federal level anyway

According to DNC Chairman Dean on ABC This Week today, the main focus is

--Undoing the "politics of corruption" displayed by the Republicans, consisting in three components: (1) Higher ethics standards vis a vis lobbyists, etc. (capitalizing on DeLay scandal), and (2) taking back the Congress from the big-spendin', free-wheelin', debt-saddlin' Republicans, and (3) curbing the unconstitutional abuses of power by the Bush admin, such as the warrantless wiretapping and other shenanigans by NSA/CIA/FBI/assorted alphabet soup agencies. I think they have a good point, esp. on the latter 2 components.

Oh, also, to outlaw breathalyzers so that they don't lose any Kennedys from Congress.
 

GoSlash27

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The evil Dems want to ransack your village, steal your babies, and throw 'em in a bonfire. The pure and innocent Republicans, otoh, just want to hand out cookies and sing Christmas carols. :D
 

Eghad

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Eghad, before you go and get weird, you ought to know all the facts about an issue. Sounds to me like you're buying the Dumbycrat and apologist talking points. Or do you favor allowing terrorists free access to communicate with their domestic cohorts?

No but I understand the Fourth Amendment and what the FISA courts do....
seems Dubyah hasnt figured that part out yet.

The FISA courts even make provisions for getting a warrant after the fact...
 

GoSlash27

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(the Dems believe in) Extreme government authority to monitor and control corporate, social, legal, medical, and personal activities as it sees fit
do you favor allowing terrorists free access to communicate with their domestic cohorts?

What's funny is these two arguments are coming from the same side :D
 

steelheart

Moderator
Those "ethical" Democrats

According to DNC Chairman Dean on ABC This Week today, the main focus is

--Undoing the "politics of corruption" displayed by the Republicans, consisting in three components: (1) Higher ethics standards...

Lest we forget, it was a Democrat - one William Jefferson Clinton - who pledged to give America (his words) "The Most Ethical Administration In History.":barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Anyone who doubts that another Clinton & Clinton administration would be any less amoral, corrupt, devoid of integrity and lawless than the first Clinton & Clinton administration is living in a dream world.

Another Waco, anyone? Another gun ban?
 

Eghad

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Republican Platform of 2004

"Through all their actions, President Bush and Congress have been careful to protect the rights and liberties that make America a beacon of freedom and justice."

I dont need no steenken warrants I am the President.

Border Security
Our nation has been enriched by immigrants seeking a better life. In many cases, immigrants of the past fled violence and oppression searching for peace and freedom. All suffered and sacrificed but hoped for a better future for their children in America. Our nation has been enriched by their termination, energy, and diversity. Ensuring the integrity of our borders is vital to ensuring the safety of our citizens. We must know the identity of all visitors who enter the United States, and we must know when they leave. The US-VISIT system, which uses biometric data to better track the
entry and exit of foreign travelers, has been implemented at more than 115 airports and is presently being implemented at land border crossings. Reconnaissance cameras, border patrol agents, and unmanned aerial flights have all been increased at our borders. We must strengthen our Border Patrol to stop illegal crossings, and we will equip the Border Patrol with the tools, technologies, structures, and sufficient force necessary to secure the border. We will seek stiff penalties for those who smuggle illegal aliens into the country and for those who sell fraudulent documents. We urge continued support forstate, local, and federal law enforcement to work in a cohesive manner in securing our borders to prevent illegal entry.

This calls for a canned laughter track....

President Bush and Congress have increased funding for VA health care by more than 40percent since 2001. This additional funding has made it possible for the VA to improve health care access for veterans who need it most, including low-income veterans, those with service-related disabilities, and those who need VA?s specialized services.

Yet the VA had to go back to Congress with its hat in its hand to beg for more money.... Funding might have been increased but the VA is still underfunded.

"Building a Better World Based on Democratic Governments, Free Markets, and International Compassion"

okay I cant stand any more.......so Ill just stop here.

Republicans and Democrats are just tired old professional politicians who are interested in the people as much Castro is interested in making Cuba a democracy.
 

GoSlash27

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Lest we forget, it was a Democrat - one William Jefferson Clinton - who pledged to give America (his words) "The Most Ethical Administration In History."

Anyone who doubts that another Clinton & Clinton administration would be any less amoral, corrupt, devoid of integrity and lawless than the first Clinton & Clinton administration is living in a dream world.

Another Waco, anyone? Another gun ban?

Lest we forget, it was a Republican - one George Walker Bush - who pledged to give America (his words) " a return to responsible government"

Anyone who doubts that another Neo-conservative administration would be any less amoral, corrupt, devoid of integrity, and lawless than the current neo-con administration is living in a dream world.

Another New Orleans, anyone? Another warrantless wiretapping program?

See? Just as sweeping and inaccurate :)
 
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