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Question on reloading equipment . . .
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Lost Sheep
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Welcome and thanks for asking our advice
I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list.
So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".
For comparison purposes, I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I could easily do a lot more with my press setup, but I am frugal with components, especially with the larger bullets, which are expensive. I don't cast....yet.
So much is a matter of personal taste. All advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".
I put together an arbitrary list that I think is illuminating. I call them my Ten Advices.
When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press (RCBS Jr, then, not long after, an RCBS Rockchucker which wsa overkill, but I had a chance to trade up and took it) on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but not it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.
Since those days, I tried other equipment and have settled on the Lee Classic Turret as the best turret press made, bar none (as long as you don't need more than 4 die stations) because it is the ONLY turret press that auto-indexes. That means loading in batch mode or in continuous mode is equally convenient.
Now, here are my Ten Advices.
Advice #1 I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on data, yes, but I found it full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offereings in your local library. Dated, perhaps, but you can taste-test their writing style. Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.
Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well. As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)
The reason you want more than one or two is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. You also get better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.
Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of a reloading kit and know what parts you will use and what parts the kits lack.
The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.
There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.
Load mid-range or slightly light at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the loading steps right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, seating depth, primer seating force, all that)
You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for floor covering when you pick your reloading room. (Note: my worktable is portable, a folding workbench with two presses mounted on a board that I simply clamp into place. One press has a large primer feed, the other a small primer feed.)
Advice #2 Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy.
Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least..
Advice #3 Learn on a single stage press or a turret press. Do not learn on a progressive press. Too many things happening at the same time are hard to keep track of.
Advice #4 Tungsten Carbide dies for your straight-walled cartridge cases. They do not require lubrication which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.
Advice #5 Find a mentor. There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")
I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. There is nothing like a tutor, or better yet, a mentor. A longer mentoring period might have changed my reloading style, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. Then I educated myself after that.
After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.
Advice #6 Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers
Advice #7 Don't pinch your fingers in your press.
Advice #8 Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I recommend.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=1efda7af229b625361fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.
Advice #9 When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy cheap (too cheap) it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying.
Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly.
Good luck. Always wear eye protection, especially when working with primers and don't pinch your fingers in your press.
Lost Sheep
edit:
a few more web sites
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230171
thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=238214
rugerforum.net/reloading/29385-budget-beginning-bench-you-will-never-outgrow-novice-handloader.html
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430391
(posts are #11 and #13)
rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
Minimalist minimal (the seventh post down)
rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=107332
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439810
I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list.
So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".
For comparison purposes, I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I could easily do a lot more with my press setup, but I am frugal with components, especially with the larger bullets, which are expensive. I don't cast....yet.
So much is a matter of personal taste. All advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".
I put together an arbitrary list that I think is illuminating. I call them my Ten Advices.
When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press (RCBS Jr, then, not long after, an RCBS Rockchucker which wsa overkill, but I had a chance to trade up and took it) on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but not it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.
Since those days, I tried other equipment and have settled on the Lee Classic Turret as the best turret press made, bar none (as long as you don't need more than 4 die stations) because it is the ONLY turret press that auto-indexes. That means loading in batch mode or in continuous mode is equally convenient.
Now, here are my Ten Advices.
Advice #1 I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on data, yes, but I found it full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offereings in your local library. Dated, perhaps, but you can taste-test their writing style. Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.
Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well. As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)
The reason you want more than one or two is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. You also get better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.
Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of a reloading kit and know what parts you will use and what parts the kits lack.
The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.
There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.
Load mid-range or slightly light at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the loading steps right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, seating depth, primer seating force, all that)
You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for floor covering when you pick your reloading room. (Note: my worktable is portable, a folding workbench with two presses mounted on a board that I simply clamp into place. One press has a large primer feed, the other a small primer feed.)
Advice #2 Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy.
Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least..
Advice #3 Learn on a single stage press or a turret press. Do not learn on a progressive press. Too many things happening at the same time are hard to keep track of.
Advice #4 Tungsten Carbide dies for your straight-walled cartridge cases. They do not require lubrication which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.
Advice #5 Find a mentor. There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")
I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. There is nothing like a tutor, or better yet, a mentor. A longer mentoring period might have changed my reloading style, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. Then I educated myself after that.
After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.
Advice #6 Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers
Advice #7 Don't pinch your fingers in your press.
Advice #8 Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I recommend.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=1efda7af229b625361fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.
Advice #9 When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy cheap (too cheap) it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying.
Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly.
Good luck. Always wear eye protection, especially when working with primers and don't pinch your fingers in your press.
Lost Sheep
edit:
a few more web sites
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230171
thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=238214
rugerforum.net/reloading/29385-budget-beginning-bench-you-will-never-outgrow-novice-handloader.html
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430391
(posts are #11 and #13)
rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
Minimalist minimal (the seventh post down)
rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=107332
thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439810
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Advice #7 - don't pinch your fingers in your press. This will most likely get me lots of criticism but that is exactly the reason I sold my Forster press. Great design, great press, but the ergonomics did not fit me at all and I really got tired of pinching my fingers, especially loading large cartridges seating long bullets. It was rare I escaped a loading session w/o a new blood blister.
I really like the RCBS Rock Chucker press, and the RCBS Uniflow powder measure and scale, and in general most stuff RCBS. However, for dies, I've been using Lee and I prefer them to the RCBS die set I have. The only thing I don't like on the Lee dies is the lock rings, so I bought a set of Hornady lock rings and just switch the one on the seating die out for one of the Hornady lock rings, and I still come out a lot cheaper than RCBS dies. I've yet to see a difference in the ammo between the two. The thing I prefer on the Lee over the price, is that the seater plug adjustment is easy to quickly turn where to quickly adjust seating depth where as on the RCBS you have to loosen a lock nut and then adjust it, then tighten the lock nut back down. It really is a personal preference as some guys like one brand while others are partial to another brand.
Also make sure you get a case trimmer if you are reloading for a rifle. Quite a few of the kits don't include one, but you will need it if reloading rifle rounds. Also get a good set of calibers.
Also make sure you get a case trimmer if you are reloading for a rifle. Quite a few of the kits don't include one, but you will need it if reloading rifle rounds. Also get a good set of calibers.
oldreloader
New member
What Flashhole said. I have both a Classic Cast Turret and a Rockchucker II. The RCII is a great press but the CCT is the best for the money IMO. It is VERY sturdy and versatile. It can be run as a single stage or as a turret.