Question. LEOs at the door with warrant

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tuckerdog1

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Okay, for me, this would be unlikely. Would almost have to be the dreaded incorrect address, or some "prankster" giving false info to the police.

But say it happens. I have no beef with coorporating with the police. But with home invaders sometimes posing as police, I want to be positive it's the real police on the other side of the door.

So, can I expect a little patience from the police, when I answer through the door I want to verify they are, who they say they are? And how do I best go about that verification? Call 911 and ask what? Names, badge #s ?

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You can expect a little patience, but not a whole lot. If the police think you are stalling them for any reason, prepare to get run over. As for verification, ask for an ID and a copy of the warrant. Few home invaders will go through the rigamorale of getting LE uniforms, faking IDs and warrants, etc. so I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's more likely they would pose as delivery people, someone in need of help, etc.
 

Creature

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Few home invaders will go through the rigamorale of getting LE uniforms, faking IDs and warrants, etc. so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Unless of course he has something they want which would be worth the rigmarole of dressing up...either way, expect little/no patience.
 
I am not sure about everywhere but when I was in the LE line of work search warrants required uniformed officers be present. There were rules about "reasonable and verifiable" presence or something like that. The plain clothes guys always called the uniformed guys to accompany them on warrant searches.

This must not be the case everywhere since I see one or two plain clothed cops serving search warrants on TV shows all the time. :)
 
Unless of course he has something they want which would be worth the rigmarole of dressing up...
Sigh. Yes, there is always the "unless" or the "if" or the "maybe" factor. But I'll play--can you give a single example within the last 25 years of a criminal home invasion being conducted by BG invaders dressed as police officers anyplace in the U.S.?
 

zoomie

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I didn't search long enough to find home invasions, but "playing dress up" is a very common theme. And I don't think a home invasion is any worse than a mugging.

These guys dressed as prostitutes, bought police handcuffs, and robbed multiple people in public
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE5D91539F934A35752C1A9659C8B63

These two LAST WEEK bought Sheriff outfits, outfitted their truck with lights, bought fake badges, and then pulled drivers over.
http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/122952

There's no shortage of people willing to outfit themselves in any way necessary to achieve their goals.
 

vox rationis

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Well if they announce they are cops, and you don't trust that they are, perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house, unless you see five proper squad cars outside, lights flashing, and with uniformed police outside announcing whom they are on the PA system. Now if they manage to produce all of these things, well I suppose it is safe to say that they are the real deal and it is probably safe to open the door, after putting the armament safely away :D.
 

brickeyee

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Must be a pretty bad location if there is even the chance of the police showing up.

Try moving to a safer place.
 

TRiCoN45

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Good question! I always wondered myself.

David Armstrong.....you should put some ointment on that cause it looks like it burns. Hahaha jk. I would suggest totell them you are then calling 911 to verify that the warrent/cops are legit. Not very long ago there was a period of time where BGs here playing dress-up as cops and pulling people over with lights and all. While being pulled over, the police said if you feel uncomfortable about anything you should call 911 immediately and the dispatcher will radio the cop in that location to confirm if indeed it is a cop and/or pull over in a well populated and lite area. When I heard this on the news I questioned the officer's patience in following the driver off of the freeway, down a few streets then finaly stopping at a gas station. But I guess better him pissed off at you then having some dude tie you up, rob you, kiddnap you, kill you, and burying you.
 

Jay1958

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example #1

Fake DEA Agent Nabbed in New York

For drug dealers in the New York City area, the armed and violent Tony Clanton was their worse nightmare when he showed up at their door with a search warrant and DEA Special Agent credentials. The problem was the DEA badge and the search warrant was fake and Tony Clanton was anything but a federal agent.
Clanton, 34, was arrested last week and charged with impersonating and federal agent, drug possession, gun possession and armed burglary.

"The DEA Badge this individual was carrying was fake, but the charges he faces for robbing homes, stealing drugs and terrorizing the community are real. Impersonating a federal agent is a serious crime and will not be tolerated. New Yorkers can rest assure that law enforcement will weed out and place these individuals in jail – where they belong," said DEA special agent John P. Gilbride.

When New York Drug Enforcement Task Force officers arrested Clanton at his home, the found 124 grams of crack/cocaine, a Glock 9 mm handgun, two .380 weapons, five hundred rounds of ammunition, a police scanner, a bullet proof vest, handcuffs, an MTA parking permit, a $10,000 Rolex watch, drug paraphernalia, a fictitious DEA badge and other law enforcement credentials (pictured) with Clanton's photo under the name of Dennis Condon.

"Is of special concern when individuals masquerade as law enforcement agents to commit crimes. It increases the potential for danger and violence that dedicated officers encounter daily," said New York Special Narcotics Prosecutor Bridget G. Brennan.

Example #2 - here is a case of a home invasion / murder of a licensed FFL01 dealer by criminals with 'FBI' hats and shirts

In January of 1996, Chevie Kehoe and Danny Lee entered the home of Tilly, Arkansas gun-dealer, William Mueller. Dressed as FBI agents, Kehoe and Lee hid until the Muellers came home. They methodically taped and handcuffed the hands and feet of William, his wife Nancy and their eight year-old daughter Sarah. They then tortured the Mueller's with cattle-prods and eventually killed all three by duct taping plastic bags over their heads and suffocating them. The bodies were then dumped into an Arkansas bayou and Kehoe and Lee bragged to others that they had put them on a "liquid diet." Initially, it was believed that their motive was robbery as Kehoe and Lee got away with a trailer full of guns, ammunition, gold and various militia papaphenalia that the Mullers sold at gun shows.

In the second example, they broke in and hid in the victims home, but they went to the house originally dressed in 'FBI' hats and t-shirts in case the victims were at home...
 
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IdahoG36

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perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house, unless you see five proper squad cars outside, lights flashing, and with uniformed police outside announcing whom they are on the PA system.

At which time your door would be knocked down and you would be tackled and cuffed, or if you're holding a weapon, maybe even shot. As stated earlier, the police will think you're stalling because you have something to hide, and will waste little time gaining entry to your residence.
 

Wildalaska

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Read the news reports carefully...your chances, if you are a legitimate person, of getting hit by folks pretending to be cops is statistically nill.

WildopenthedoorandasktocallyourlawyerAlaska TM
 

OldShooter

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Warrant entry

Quote from Playboypenquin

"This must not be the case everywhere since I see one or two plain clothed cops serving search warrants on TV shows all the time."

Which are the shows you get your research from?
 
Which are the shows you get your research from?
All those "Law and Order" type shows and the like that keep coming on in the background late at night when I am too lazy to change the channel after something I was watching on TIVO finishes. :)
 

Tanzer

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Quote Playboypenguin;
All those "Law and Order" type shows
Aside from fictional shows, I've seen it on reality shows like "COPS". They show up in T-shirts and baseball caps lettered with "X"PD, tapered slacks and black sneakers. Not too hard to imitate. Of course, they also have a guy holding a camera with a spotlight and foam-tipped microphone.
 

tuckerdog1

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Read the news reports carefully...your chances, if you are a legitimate person, of getting hit by folks pretending to be cops is statistically nill.

Wildalaska ,

I have a good friend, who is very anti-gun. She used the same argument with me the last time we discussed her keeping a gun in her house for protection. The argument then however was a general breakin, not a warrant being served. But in either case, the odds are very small. But you risk everything if you don't at least prepare to deal with it, should it happen.

Tuckerdog1
 
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Creature

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Read the news reports carefully...your chances, if you are a legitimate person, of getting hit by folks pretending to be cops is statistically nill.

Tell that to these people: http://www.nbc4.com/news/13473498/detail.html

Or how about this fellow (is a minister "legitimate" enough?):
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/aug/28/psl-couple-bound-robbed-gunpoint-men-dressed-polic/

Statistics...

First thing I learned in statistics class was that people who start bringing up statistics are usually manipulating them to show whatever they want to show. Statistics lie.
 
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