The Body Bagger
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Here it is ladies and gents lets get this over with and see what the majority would prefer.
Poll What combat round do you prefer?
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themikeman
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It depends on the job if its open shooting like artic or desert I would like the 308 but if its thick jungle or city streets I would want as many follow up shots as possible so the 223 would be good for that kind of warfare.
The Body Bagger
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good reasoning mike.
Even though there was no mention or reduced ammo (we all know how much heavier 7.62 ammo is), I’ll still take the 7.62. The greater barrier penetration of the 7.62 with or without AP ammunition would be a significant advantage in some cases and it’s increased ballistic advantage would be nice to have in an open environment…
themikeman...isn't the 223 part for the "jungle" use at odds with what many have said (Vietnam, etc.) about it's "deflectability" in such conditions? ...seems to me something like an x39 or rimless "30-30" size/style round ("308 Junior"?--basically a x39) would do the trick better in those conditions. I am not experienced in the combat arena, so just a question, not a comment.
CarlosDJackal
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The right tool for the right job. It all depends on METT-TWS. There are situations that even the hard-hitting .308 is not well suited for. There's a reason the military has maintained more than one rifle cartridge in its inventory. IMHO.
themikeman
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Gak….. Yes the 7.62 would be a lot better for busting threw brush. I was talking close quarters combat if there are 8 of them at 15 yards and only 1 of me. I wouldn’t want my pins dancing all around I would want something with relatively low recoil. That’s just my opinion no real experience except for a good bit of paintball.
themikeman... you have a very good response/good point re the recoil. Why the M2 Carbine was popular for such (close in) duty. Still can't quite believe we can't do better (for such conditions) than a .223...Simplistically, if you average .223 and .308 looks like a .265 which comes perilously close to .264 dia. Averaging .223 and .284 yields .253, also close to a .257 - Roberts maybe.. in rimless? Just some musing...the idea of a "harder hitting" (including less deflecting by foilage) AR format, but still with manageable recoil -- what would that mean? The 6.5 being discussed throughout the forums?
Person of Interest
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About 20 years ago a writer tested the ability of various calibers to resist being deflected by "brush." None were unaffected and there was no difference regardless of caliber or bullet mass. If a bullet, any bullet, hits a leaf or a twig it is sent off-course. No superiority for the larger calibers.
The 308 hits harder, but you can carry more 223 ammo. Either will kill a man but the 308 is better if shooting at barricades or vehicles. I could use either. I would probably take whatever is more likely to be found on the battlefield. I would want to be able to scrounge ammo from allies or enemies.
The 308 hits harder, but you can carry more 223 ammo. Either will kill a man but the 308 is better if shooting at barricades or vehicles. I could use either. I would probably take whatever is more likely to be found on the battlefield. I would want to be able to scrounge ammo from allies or enemies.
I want a .22LR man-portable minigun with built-in all-steel cans - yeah, not gonna be that great a suppressor, but it'd sure be sorta spooky.
I'll bet that a system, along with 10,000 rounds, could be schlepped by one grunt.
Couple it with motion detectors for an automatic firing system, and you'd have one heck of an air-droppable perimeter defense system. Set the thing to oscillate both side to side and vertically (to gain coverage out to 400 or so yards).
Yeah, I know. Little slow moving bullet. You wanna stand in front of a few dozen, even at 300 yards?
I'll bet that a system, along with 10,000 rounds, could be schlepped by one grunt.
Couple it with motion detectors for an automatic firing system, and you'd have one heck of an air-droppable perimeter defense system. Set the thing to oscillate both side to side and vertically (to gain coverage out to 400 or so yards).
Yeah, I know. Little slow moving bullet. You wanna stand in front of a few dozen, even at 300 yards?
Springer45
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I'd opt for 7.62 x 39.
Springer, Please tell us why? My vote goes for the 7.62 Nato as I'm with EOD, target engaged from afar, very far. Sometimes it's nice to have the power. Yes even more power than the 7.62 X 39.
Now I've shot a M-16 and they are great to shoot. But if I was going to war I would want a M-14.
Now I've shot a M-16 and they are great to shoot. But if I was going to war I would want a M-14.
Think about it Bogie, the constant stream of .22 caliber rounds is basically a constant buckshot blast. Even at 300 yrds, if you could get the trajectory right (tracers) you certainly wouldn't want to stick you head up.
6.5 Grendel. No one seems to like this round but when I finally get an AR it will have a grendel upper.
6.5 Grendel. No one seems to like this round but when I finally get an AR it will have a grendel upper.
You don't need tracers - Just set the thing to traverse x-degrees while firing, while at the same time going up/down a coupla degrees.
Now, where'd the brain cells go that dealt with high school geometry...
If you're running say, a 15 degree section of a circular perimeter, how big is the radius by the time you get to 300 yards? Figure that 50% of the rounds are low, so how many rounds does it take to get one into every linear foot of that radius?
At the very least, it'd sure keep their heads down. And think of the attrition to the office corps... "He wants us to do what?"
Now, where'd the brain cells go that dealt with high school geometry...
If you're running say, a 15 degree section of a circular perimeter, how big is the radius by the time you get to 300 yards? Figure that 50% of the rounds are low, so how many rounds does it take to get one into every linear foot of that radius?
At the very least, it'd sure keep their heads down. And think of the attrition to the office corps... "He wants us to do what?"
Moe Mentum
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7.62 x 51 good all around round.