people you won't take to the range?

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troy_mclure

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is there anybody you know you wont take to the range(or again)?

why?

its a first for me, i really enjoy introducing non shooters to various guns.

my roomate begged me to take her and her sister shooting(the sister had never shot). the sister is the classic girly girl. the night before i gave her the standard "no low cut shirts, and no sandals" notice, and told them we were leaving at 12 noon.

well my roomie bails on me so i am stuck with just the sister(who took 3 hours to get ready).

it was incredibly frustrating. she would stop every 2 or 3 shots to answer texts, wouldnt listen to shooting advise(22yr old girls know best! :barf: ). i finally lied and told her the range was closing early, just to get away from her.

she seemed to enjoy the trip tho, maybe she can find somebody else to take her.
 
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Lurch37

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If she seriously wants to learn and go again, tell her to leave the phone in the car, or at home and try again. Just because she doen't know your rules, or the way you act at the range doesn't means she's not interested perhaps.
 
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45Gunner

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Nothing wrong with having a girly girl with you except that you must set down and enforce the rules. Stopping to respond to texts every two or three shots means there is a gun on the bench with live rounds in it. And if your shooter is texting, she could easily knock the gun off the bench. Further, she is not really paying attention or focusing on the task at hand which creates a danger for those around her.

Bringing people, especially new shooters to the range should be an enjoyable experience for all involved. But, their head should be completely wrapped around what they are doing as there are inherent dangers abound if they are distracted. A complete safety briefing should be the first accomplishment before even stepping a foot into the range area.

And those low cut blouses are a definite no-no on the range. Beside the danger of a hot ejected shell lodging down there, it is very distracting for us older guys. Where do you think the expression "shooting yourself in the foot" originated?
 
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nathaniel

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I've had friends that want to got to the range so I've taken them, most turn out alright but I had one friend that would not listen to me! He was sweeping me, shooting my pistol "gangsta" style :barf:, and he even had the balls to tell me I didnt know jack squat about guns. (the typical COD airhead). The next day he asked to go again, I was polite about it but I told him not until he took a shooting class and hunters saftey. Like they say, "you can't fix stupid."

As far as texting, I do it at the range. Its a good way to let the barrel cool down and I always take pics of my good groups and send them to my brothers to rub it in alittle.
 
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chasep255

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I like taking friends to the range. One of my friends somehow shot one of the lights out with an AR. :eek: Don't know how but it happened.
 
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Davey

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My brother because it seems he is bordering on becoming a Brady Buncher. I'm actually quite disappointed. He tried to use the argument that 2A only applies to militias. I thought he was more intelligent than that.
 
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raftman

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A year or so ago, my younger sister said some college friends of hers wanted to go try shooting, and I like introducing people to shooting so I agreed. So it was me, my sister and 3 of her friends. After explaining the safety rules, most of them were pretty good. They took pretty naturally to shooting, even the Californian.

But this one dude was simply a complete moron; I would never agree to shoot with him again, not even if he paid me. For one thing, he kept sweeping the rest of us, even after repeated warnings not to. He was a terrible shot, and kept blaming the guns for it, talking all kinds of crap about my guns, saying his dad taught him to shoot so he knew what he was doing (even though no one else seemed to have any trouble hitting their targets with these same exact guns).

And the real icing on the cake, I turn around for a second or two just to get something out of the range bag and I see the moron holding my 9mm, finger on the trigger, looking down the bore with one eye. I shout and demand to know what he thinks he's doing, he smiles like an idiot and defends himself with, "What? There's not even a clip in it!"

Was a while ago, and I still get really angry just thinking about it.
 
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jonnyc

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"Dick Cheney" probably has access to some pretty neat firearms, and endless supplies of ammo. Running low??? A Halaburton chopper can drop right in with a new skid of 9mm.
 
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NWPilgrim

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I've taken several family and friends to the range and in all but one instance they were attentive and had a good time and I would gladly take any of them again. The one DEVIANT was a co-worker who was just reckless and too arrogant to admit he was ignorant about firearms even though he had never shot before. He did not listen to advice/instruction to either of us who had many years of experience. He shot willy nilly and rarely hit the target even at 10 yds.

If someone makes any effort to follow instruction and safety rules then I am willing to assist them to become more knowledgeable and capable, and have some fun. But if they can't be bothered with information about safety then I will not waste my time and put myself and others in danger because of their recklessness.
 
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Tom Servo

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I know of several ranges that ban phone usage on the line, and I think it's a good idea. Back in the 1990's, there was a phenomenon known as "beepilepsy," which described the sudden spasmodic jump people made when their pagers went off. The same thing applies to cellular phones. That's a distraction you don't need when handling a deadly weapon, but one that's hard to condition out of people.

Then again, someone I wouldn't take to the range is someone I wouldn't be associating with in general.
 
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g.willikers

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I take new folks to the range only after they have shown some amount of proficiency and complete safety with airsoft guns in the garage.
I'd druther get hit by a plastic pellet than a bullet any day.
 
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CWKahrFan

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"I take new folks to the range only after they have shown some amount of proficiency and complete safety with airsoft guns in the garage."

That's a great approach!
 
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publius

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I will not take anyone who won't listen to instruction(advice) and acts as if they are always right. I have only one friend like this and he lives in another town. I can size somebody up pretty quickly and tell whether or not they're going wqith me. I have never experienced this problem with girls, only guys whose ego's wont let them admit that there is something they don't know.
 
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Gehrhard

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I know a guy for years who wanted a shotgun. We're friendly and he worked for me once in awhile. Coached him, literature, book, even the catalog with the gun set circled. Offered to go with him to get it, on sale, and train him with other guys who needed shotgun training.

He went and got the gun alone and didn't tell me till sometime later. He finally confessed he was confused but couldn't explain. He eventually showed the set to me. Even the clamp that held the two barrels together for display confused him! Instead of buying the security combo set, as the main reason was for home security, with both an 18" and a screw in choke 28" sport barrel, he got the 28" and a heavy permanently scoped rifled-slug barrel set. He never hunted, and won't, a day in his life. He was too embarrassed to return it but lied and said he couldn't find the receipt. I offered to sell the slug-barrel next hunting season (which would have been this past Winter) and pick up a short riot barrel for him. Why didn't I sell his barrel, why did I keep the nice bargain riot barrel with factory installed handguard I got him, and never so much as discuss guns with him again?

He was continually refering to shotguns as rifles. When I corrected him every third time or so he just shruged it off like "whatever," and I realized he clearly did not understand the basic difference. Most of the time. It is probably why he got the slug set. I'm sure he still has no clue what he has, what it is for, or how it works. After I saw the gun I took him to a gunshow and when he didn't know I was behind him I overheard him tell a hunting guide whose time he was wasting that he just bought a 12 ga. rifle, and lots of ammunition. He failed to mention the ammo to me too. The now confused guide asked what kind of ammo for his 12 ga. rifle but couldn't get a rational answer except something about "what the store sold" him.

I decided right then and there I'd never be around or have anything to do with this guy and a gun or ammo. Not even a conversation that includes the subject. Others voted him "most likely to go postal." The book and literature I lent him I've written off. I don't feel so bad -- he's in his 50's and makes me nervous, but I'll live, and that's the point. Speaking of which, he still lives with his 80 year old mom and she's downright afraid to death of him.
 
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CajunBass

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The only person I've ever taken to the range is my wife.

I've never gone with anyone else.

I don't want the company.
 
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Aguila Blanca

Staff
There are the 4 rules of firearms safety, and then there are the two rules of going shooting:

1) Turn off cell phones

2) Do what the instructor says

Somehow, people have become so dependent on their cell phones that they simply CANNOT follow rule #1. I just finished teaching a series of one-day classes for state employees. Each class began with a State trainer introducing me, and reminding everyone in the room (all of whom have attended previous such classes on multiple occasions) to turn off the cell phones or set them to vibrate. Once I started, the first Power Point slide was the class title, the second slide was my name and title, and the third was "PLEASE TURN OFF ALL CELL PHONES AND PAGERS."

Three out of the four classes, it wasn't more than 5 minutes after that slide that some idiot's cell phone rang.

It has to be an item of contractual agreement before you leave the apartment: You want to go shooting, you pay attention to SHOOTING. The cell phone is turned off and left in the car. If you won't agree to that, we don't go. If you violate that at the range, we leave.

Period.
 
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