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Bill DeShivs

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44Amp- stick to guns.
Your knowledge of fuels is lacking. Higher octane gasoline burns slower. There would be no performance increase. Just FYI.
 

bamaranger

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agency guns

In those days, firearms were retained at each individual park. A ranger was not issued a career long handgun, you got a gun issued at your posting, turned it in when you transferred, and received another when you arrived at your next assignment. I saw some really old revolvers in assorted park armories. Condition and type could vary depending on how much money each park mgmt team wished to spend on the Ranger Division. As the NPS is not solely a LE organization, but a resource mgmt agency that manages a LE function within its structure, LE often got the short end of the stick (budget). Often folks making such decisions had no LE or firearms background or training whatsoever. No surprise then when old guns get paired with hot ammo.

For the most part, the older guns were Model 10's in HB configuration, occassionally a M15 would surface. Those old K's were replaced largely by M19 and M66's. Eventually the Ruger Securities and the L-frames became fairly common, still all "park" owned. All that changed with the auto pistol program. Rangers received an issued auto pistol upon graduation, which one retained through their career, regardless of assignment.
 

5whiskey

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To the OP that got gifted 48 rounds of federal +p+. I wouldn’t hesitate to fire it in any known quality revolver that has a steel frame and is rated for +p. At least I would be ok with firing a few cylinders to test it then use the rest for carry.

Call me reckless and stupid, but I’ve not heard of federal ammo blowing cylinders apart. This ammo seems to be from roughly 2001, so if it’s dangerous or there’s a recall news should well be out about it now. Federal isn’t going to let a liability slip through nor play loose and fast with super dangerous ammo. Sure it may be hot enough to shake an old K-frame loose in short order with a steady diet. We aren’t talking about a steady diet, we’re talking about some test firing of around 24 rounds or so and using the rest as carry ammo. If you don’t trust it I’ll give you 30 bucks to ship it to me and I’ll use it for carry ammo.

Flame suit on, there is no standard for +p+ (I do know this), blah, blah, blah. Federal isn’t going to put out ammo that blows +p rated guns apart in a few cylinders, and dollars to donuts this ammo is safe in the quantity obtained by the op.
 

JohnKSa

Administrator
Agree it's unlikely to actually blow the gun up or cause injury to the shooter. So it's "safe" in the regard.

On the other hand, there's more that can go wrong with a gun than just exploding.

As far as it being acceptable for use in .38Spl revolvers rated for +P, the ammunition manufacturer states that this ammunition wasn't intended for use in any .38Spl revolvers, but was, rather, actually a light loading for use in .357Mag revolvers. So using it in a .38Spl revolver isn't a good idea. Not because 23Kpsi is likely to blow up a .38Spl revolver, but because it will wear it out quickly and/or cause damage to the gun as a result of the higher recoil levels.
 

5whiskey

New member
As far as it being acceptable for use in .38Spl revolvers rated for +P, the ammunition manufacturer states that this ammunition wasn't intended for use in any .38Spl revolvers, but was, rather, actually a light loading for use in .357Mag revolvers. So using it in a .38Spl revolver isn't a good idea. Not because 23Kpsi is likely to blow up a .38Spl revolver, but because it will wear it out quickly and/or cause damage to the gun as a result of the higher recoil levels.

Ahh I missed OPs follow up after talking to federal. That does change my stance a smidge. Either way, the OP isn’t talking about shooting enough of them to shake a revolver apart, he has 45 that were given to him. Either way I feel it irresponsible to advise something contrary to federal’s current advice. So OP you have a .357 revolver have it with them.
 

JohnKSa

Administrator
The ammo they officially issued us for Glock 19 on my old job was 9mm +P+
Glock used to publish the pressure specification for their pistols in the Armorer Manuals but stopped doing that at some point.

The last time they did it, they listed the pressure specification for the Gen 2 Glock 17 and 19 at 43.5Kpsi. I'd be surprised if any reputable ammo maker is putting out 9mm ammo at pressures anywhere near that high.
 
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