It Does No Good To Have A Permit and NOT Carry
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Aguila Blanca
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How did you obtain a personal protection permit? My understanding is that those are only issued if the is a "verifiable specific risk" to the life of an individual.manta49 said:
Aguila Blanca
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You didn't answer the question: How do you qualify to carry a firearm if you should choose to do so?manta49 said:
I don't care if you carry or not. Your business is your business. There are a lot of reasons to have a carry permit and not carry all the time. However; if you are going to carry Walmart is absolutely the place to do it. Walmart tends to be the center of the plurality of crime in most towns and small cities.
On thefts Walmart is going to be the most stolen from location with losses in to the millions at each location. On drugs Walmart typically serves as a meet up location in the parking lots and bathrooms for delivery drivers and customers. Practically every drug addict in most towns steals from Walmart to help fund their habit. Vehicle burglaries and car thefts are extremely common. Car jackings are not at all unusual. Domestic violence is a daily occurrence in parking lots and the store. In short all the criminals go there, partly because Walmart is open all the time and partly because it is easier to steal and hide in a crowd. To top it off Walmart security is focused only on loss prevention and nothing to do with the security of their stores or providing a safe environment for their customers.
So if you go armed anywhere, Walmart is the place.
On thefts Walmart is going to be the most stolen from location with losses in to the millions at each location. On drugs Walmart typically serves as a meet up location in the parking lots and bathrooms for delivery drivers and customers. Practically every drug addict in most towns steals from Walmart to help fund their habit. Vehicle burglaries and car thefts are extremely common. Car jackings are not at all unusual. Domestic violence is a daily occurrence in parking lots and the store. In short all the criminals go there, partly because Walmart is open all the time and partly because it is easier to steal and hide in a crowd. To top it off Walmart security is focused only on loss prevention and nothing to do with the security of their stores or providing a safe environment for their customers.
So if you go armed anywhere, Walmart is the place.
Mannlicher
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If I leave the house, I have at least a J frame in my pocket. Been doing that for the past 50+ years.
bamaranger
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predictions
One cannot predict when and where a violent assault may occur. I think it's important that an individual with a carry permit to get past the "it can't happen to me" mentality, or "I won't really need it" and start thinking more along the lines of my first sentence. An LEO with the "won't happen to me" mentality needs to find another line of work.
That is not paranoia, it is simply the truth. If we could predict a threat, heck, as a citizen, just don't go, send the SWAT team, call the cops, ....etc. Accepting that there well could be an attack against you is one less mental hurdle you must overcome when it happens......you are not (as ) surprised. You will have your firearm with you when you desperately need it.
I do not want my last thought to be, ....if I only had my gun.
One cannot predict when and where a violent assault may occur. I think it's important that an individual with a carry permit to get past the "it can't happen to me" mentality, or "I won't really need it" and start thinking more along the lines of my first sentence. An LEO with the "won't happen to me" mentality needs to find another line of work.
That is not paranoia, it is simply the truth. If we could predict a threat, heck, as a citizen, just don't go, send the SWAT team, call the cops, ....etc. Accepting that there well could be an attack against you is one less mental hurdle you must overcome when it happens......you are not (as ) surprised. You will have your firearm with you when you desperately need it.
I do not want my last thought to be, ....if I only had my gun.
Tactical Jackalope
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I can't not have it on me. The only two times it is off of me is when I'm asleep, nude, or in the bathroom. And in those instances, it's literally within arms reach.
Now the other instances when it's not on me I simply am not in charge (unfortunately) of these events. If I am flying or in a venue where I have to walk through a metal detector or even worse, pat-downs. Or if I am visiting NYC/Jersey. Where printing would out me and it'd be a felony because I don't have reciprocity. Which is sad.
Also when I go to South America and have to rely on my Benchmade 810 Contego, Leatherman Wave, and Surefire E1D Defender. I also have a SOFF-TQ and Combat Gauze. I was able to carry a Glock 26 breifly, but..Ah well.
Anyway, ABCs...Always. Be. Carrying.
Now the other instances when it's not on me I simply am not in charge (unfortunately) of these events. If I am flying or in a venue where I have to walk through a metal detector or even worse, pat-downs. Or if I am visiting NYC/Jersey. Where printing would out me and it'd be a felony because I don't have reciprocity. Which is sad.
Also when I go to South America and have to rely on my Benchmade 810 Contego, Leatherman Wave, and Surefire E1D Defender. I also have a SOFF-TQ and Combat Gauze. I was able to carry a Glock 26 breifly, but..Ah well.
Anyway, ABCs...Always. Be. Carrying.
J.G. Terry
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The Downside
If I need a gun there how about staying away. How many permit holds have not shot a handgun since the qualifications? To me, those people are more of a threat than some shooter. It's gotten worse as of late with open carry. Anybody with a full size Glock in an Uncles Mike's holster does not come across very well with me.
If I need a gun there how about staying away. How many permit holds have not shot a handgun since the qualifications? To me, those people are more of a threat than some shooter. It's gotten worse as of late with open carry. Anybody with a full size Glock in an Uncles Mike's holster does not come across very well with me.
Another pitch for better training..not only for initial ownership but also for CCW...A lot of those who own guns and lots who 'might' carry really have no idea what they are doing..If I need a gun there how about staying away. How many permit holds have not shot a handgun since the qualifications? To me, those people are more of a threat than some shooter. It's gotten worse as of late with open carry. Anybody with a full size Glock in an Uncles Mike's holster does not come across very well with me.
AgedWarrior
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In my experience and observations, those who do, seldom engage in lengthy discussions as this thread, they simply do it. And those who engage in such long winded debates, well, they seldom really do carry.
Interesting. You've met that many members in person? Is there a get together I'm missing?
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J.G. Terry
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I have not seen anybody shot in nearly fifty years. If you want to pack a gun you don't need an excuse. My point is a majority of permit holders that I know have not had practice since getting the permit . As for open carry, training should be the same as for an LEO. How many permit holders have any target identification training or can keep five shots out of ten in the 9 ring in a B27 target at five yards?
It's a rare event. That's why, if we want to claim we can make a difference in rare events, it is critical that people who can carry, do carry all the time and that they have taken responsibility for developing a reasonable skill level.
That's the only way that permit holders will have a chance of making a significant difference in mass shooting outcomes with any kind of reasonable frequency.
My suggestion would be that permit holders take responsibility for developing a reasonable skill level.
But it's really moot at this point, IMO.
We (the entire gun community/permit holders) have had chances to make a difference in mass shootings and yet have really had no significant impact in the big picture.
It has now gotten to the point that too many people believe that something must be done and so something is going to be done.
I'm not blaming anyone or saying anyone shirked their responsibilities because I don't believe that is the case. The gun community isn't responsible for mass shootings, nor is it responsible for stopping them. It would have helped the situation if we could address the "do something crowd" by pointing to a significant percentage of mass shootings where permit holders obviously made a real difference in the outcome but the numbers just don't support that kind of a rebuttal.
Anyway, just my take on the situation as it currently stands.
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