Is the M1 Garand an "assault weapon"

[Webleymkv]

According to rkba net's list, yes the Garand would be considered an "assault weapon" because it has a bayonet mount. The strange thing is, a Garand is usually exempted because it does not have a detatchable magazine, but I guess that NYC has decided to limit it's gangs' weapons to '03 Springfields, K98's, and SMLE's

 

[ro2]

the fact that NYC has Hillary is enough to make me run for a different state

 

[alan]

Ladies if there here be any, and gentlemen:

For the type of prose that can aptly be described as Kafkaesque, might I suggest in post # 19, item 7. I submit that this would take first prize in The International or Worldwide Kafkaesque Trials.

 

[4V50 Gary]

Not by California standards (thank God). No detachable magazine and no flash suppressor.

 

[El Paso Joe]

16 (a) (7)

In post 19, the reference to NYC's assault rifle definition made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. The only thing that scares me worse than politicians trying to legislate some form of morality is handing the final word on what is moral to a civil servant (the Commissioner). I read Huxley and Orwell in high school with an amusement that I now see as naivety. I agree that there is a limit to free speech even though it is guaranteed - if it is used for harm (e.g. screaming fire in a crowded theater) for example. Most of the useful laws regarding RKBA are already on the books (and some that aren't reasonable).

I am not sure that a common sense definition of an assault rifle would be useful to the current politicians who feel an need to define these things for partisan purposes.

My most recent post graduate degree was in Social Work - I was the Vietnam vet in the back of the class who would discuss these issues (2A & RKBA) in the context of culture and diversity. And often answer questions with "I am the NRA and I vote..." I did complete the course. And was not forgotten... In that context, when asked about assault weapons I would talk about Trapdoor Springfields and rolling blocks and put them in a historical context where they were highly effective assault weapons... The hope was to bring the discussion in the classroom to the point of reductio ad absurdium. Most of them did not know what a common sense definition of an assault rifle was.

On a personal note, and agreeing with other posters, I am not sure how I would identify one. And if I understand the mindset of the authors of the Constitution, assault weapons were EXACTLY what was meant. In my (not so) humble opinion...

Kafkaesque???

 

[blume357]

May be it's something in the water up in NY

I had a guy at my gun club last month who moved down here from NYS a few years back and his 'solution' to our 'gun control' problem was we need someone in government who actually knows about guns and which ones are good and which ones are bad to determine this for us. I was just lost and could only give him that blank look.

 

[alan]

El Paso Joe:

Kafkaesque??? , as in Kafka.

My former girlfriend, back when our hair was dark, ad long suffering wife has an MSW from Columbia University, circa 1964. She has been known to "blaze away" with ponderous dignity, using a Smith Model 15, which she shoots double action. Used to be she could take the upper half of the "A" zone out of a standard IPSC target at 25 yards. I would NEVER offer ANY discretionary authority or power to ANY Civil servant, appointed, elected or otherwise. BTW, I lived in NYC for many, many years, leaving it in 1967.

blume357:

One finds passing strange legislation/regulations in any number of locales. For instance, as memory serves me, it is or used to be that Glock Pistols couldn't be sold in South Carolina. Seemed they failed some sort of "melting point test". I don't especially care for Glocks, a subjective judgement, however they do seem to work.

As for this business over/about "Assault Weapons/Assault Rifles, most individuals in "public life", haven't the proverbial clue re what it is they speak of. Ignorance is simply a lack of information. The syndrome they suffer from is very much worse, which brings interested parties to the following question. How is it that such creatures obtain public office.

 

[wayneinFL]

Post 19-

That's scary. In NYC the M1 is an assault weapon. And even if it weren't, the commissioner can declare it one.

 

[Tucker 1371]

FBI's Crime Report Bad News for Anti-Gunners

Friday, September 19, 2008

This week, the FBI released its crime report for 2007 and, once again, gun control supporters are taking it on the chin.



It's not just that the nation's violent crime rate decreased slightly between 2006 and 2007. It's that every year since 2002 it has been lower than anytime since 1974, leading the Justice Department to say that violent crime is "near a 30-year low." Since 1991, violent crime has dropped 38 percent. Murder is now at a 40-year low, lower than anytime since 1966 every year from 1999 to the present, and down 43 percent since 1991.



"More guns means more crime?" Only in anti-gunner "La-La Land." Violent crime has fallen as the number of guns has increased 4.5 million a year. There are more gun owners, owning more guns than ever before, and violent crime is lower than anytime since Gerald Ford became president!



We can hardly wait to see the Brady Campaign try to spin this one with its asinine "state grades" stunt. In 2007, the major U.S. cities with the highest murder rates were cities with severe gun control. The top three? Detroit (where Michigan law requires a permit to purchase a handgun), Baltimore (where Maryland law restricts private handgun sales and requires a seven-day waiting period on handgun sales by dealers), and the District of Columbia (with its handgun ban and its firearm registration law). Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and D.C. had the highest robbery rates.



In 2007, as in years past, Right-to-Carry states had lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country with total violent crime lower by 24 percent, murder by 28 percent, robbery by 50 percent, and aggravated assault by 11 percent. Further, in 2007, 32 percent of murders were committed without firearms of any sort--knives accounted for 12 percent, hands and feet six percent, and blunt objects four percent. Rifles and shotguns (semi-automatic and otherwise) accounted for three percent each, and typically "assault weapons" have accounted for about one percent.

If this doesn't convince the anti-gun crowd nothing ever will. In 2007 more people were killed by attackers using their bare hands than with people using "assault weapons". Eat that Libs

 

[Chetnik]

The Garand is banned in NYC. Only exemptions were for gun clubs or vets that already had them registered before the ban.

 

[danweasel]

Well it sure as hell was one at Normandy.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Crime in New York as decreased dramatically because of banning Garands. No landing craft full of criminals carrying Garands stormed Brighton Beach or established beach heads on Staten Island. See, it is a good policy.

Long Island and the Hamptons are safe also because of this policy.

 

[alan]

Glenn E. Meyer writes:

Crime in New York as decreased dramatically because of banning Garands. No landing craft full of criminals carrying Garands stormed Brighton Beach or established beach heads on Staten Island. See, it is a good policy.

Long Island and the Hamptons are safe also because of this policy.

I removed myself from NYC, where I had been born, raised and lived for many years in 1967, however even in those fargone years, neither I had niot taken note of the city being invaded, perhaps by the British coming down from Canada, so there would be no "need" for the possession of "assault weapons", such as the Garand, by the citizenry.

As for The Hamptons being held safe, I think it's more a question of attitude, rather than the banning of so-called "assault weapos" that keeps them safe. In any case, The Hamptons are somewhat removed from NYC and it's ordinances.

As to Brighton Beach, were we used to play outdoor handball during the summer, as I understand, that area has been pretty much taken over by what is sometimes known as The Russian Mafia, gun control didn't work there either.