Another consequence is that my bank banned all carry following an incident with a guy who chose to make his point about the 2nd Amendment on a busy Friday. Gee, thanks for that.One social consequence of OC is that as people see it, they become accustomed to it. Another can be that POs get used to it.
I've said it before: the Rosa Parks comparisons are distasteful and inaccurate. Blacks were denied equal treatment in many areas of life for no other reason than the way they were born. They had no control over that factor. They couldn't stop being black.People said the same thing about Rosa Parks,,,
Another is that enough people say to themselves, "A nut job with a gun; there ought to be a law." that we wind up with a law we don't much like.zukiphile said:...Indeed. One social consequence of OC is that as people see it, they become accustomed to it. Another can be that POs get used to it...
Two decades is pushing it. I think the 2003 decision of the Ohio Supreme Court in Klein v. Leis, 99 Ohio St.3d 537 had more to do with it.zukiphile said:...OC has not been prohibited by law in Ohio going back at least two decades. ...It took people pressing the point to start to change the culture so that Ohioans don't end up with a felony conviction for exercising a right in ordinary circumstances....
No, but I know many open carry advocates who do. As a friend once pointed out, "there's a difference between a woman fighting oppression and a fat white dude strutting around with a gun."I certainly did not mean to be distasteful in my reference to Rosa Parks
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And you weren't. In fact, you were right on the money when you wrote:aarondhgraham said:I certainly did not mean to be distasteful in my reference to Rosa Parks,,,
I used Rosa Parks as a comparator to show how a well thought out and planned demonstration can work wonders for a cause....
aarondhgraham said:...Rosa Parks was not a spur of the moment decision,,,
Her actions were planned and scripted well in advance of the act....
Either that, or an alternative will become legal.Frank Ettin said:It's a funny thing, but it is in fact reality, that if enough people do something that's legal but they do it in a way that enough other people find obnoxious, the activity probably won't stay legal for long.
But as usual, the devil is in the details. All that worked in Ohio because the RKBA advocates had the foundation of the favorable Ohio Supreme Court ruling (which was in 2003,BTW)....Until a few years ago, the state of Ohio did not have any provision for concealed carry. But the Ohio Supreme Court had (correctly) ruled several years ago that under the Ohio constitution, the RKBA is guaranteed and that, therefore, if the legislature chose to "regulate" carry by not allowing concealed carry, then open carry must necessarily be legal.
So "activists" began staging open carry days around that state. Some people did find them obnoxious, others found them frightening, and still others found them enlightening. The end result was that the legislature realized the folly of its ways, and enacted concealed carry legislation as an expedient way of making all the open carriers go away.
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Choosing to open carry in order to make a point is not always or necessarily bad.
Zukiphile said:...OC has not been prohibited by law in Ohio going back at least two decades. ...It took people pressing the point to start to change the culture so that Ohioans don't end up with a felony conviction for exercising a right in ordinary circumstances....
Frank Ettin said:Two decades is pushing it. I think the 2003 decision of the Ohio Supreme Court in Klein v. Leis, 99 Ohio St.3d 537 had more to do with it.
Tom Servo said:As a friend once pointed out, "there's a difference between a woman fighting oppression and a fat white dude strutting around with a gun."
Tom Servo said:The problem with the "movement" is that it really does attract folks from the fringe, and there's little way of controlling the more extreme elements.
The average American supports the RKBA which is why we have seen a steady return of rights in most places. However, the pendulum of public opinion can very quickly swing the other way and self serving politicians will once again seek ways to deny our freedoms.
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They are indeed pertinent when Mrs. Parks is invoked as an example of successful activism. The differences are pertinent because they illustrate how the details make a difference between effective activism based on public demonstrations and ineffective or counter productive activism based on public demonstrations.zukiphile said:...Indeed, there are many differences, but they aren't pertinent where Parks' name is invoked as an example of pressing for recognition of a right...Tom Servo said:As a friend once pointed out, "there's a difference between a woman fighting oppression and a fat white dude strutting around with a gun."
zukiphile said:...the decision in Klein affirmed the constitutionality of concealed carry prohibitions. It isn't obvious that such a decision would be an unambiguous aid to concealed carry advocates...