Illinois Ban on Carry Ruled Unconstitutional (See Page 7)

[ChuckS]

Wow, $150 for residents and $300 for non-residents.

Let's see (350,000x150) that's about $50-60 million dollars...wow.

That's a lot of money to exercise a 'right' with no other option (open carry).

Is that the most expensive in the US? I know Florida used to be over $100.

How long before the excessive fees are challenged?

 

[carguychris]

Wow, $150 for residents... That's a lot of money to exercise a 'right' with no other option (open carry)... Is that the most expensive in the US?

The standard fee in "gun-friendly" Texas is $140, although there are indigent and senior discounts, and a variety of other discounts for LE/military/etc. Remember that TX isn't an open-carry state either.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/documents/CHLFeeSchedule.pdf

Does IL have an indigent discount?

(I don't intend to start a thread hijack, but TX has generally high fees for non-compulsory gov't services and permits, due to a culture of low state-government spending.)

 

[Tinner666]

Be aware that Illinois is a virtual minefield of traps for the carrier. You can be legal in one block, illegal in the next due to school proximity, 'safe zones', (which means that only bangers can carry there), etc.
Their set of restrictions reads like a book of lawyerese that I believe will even trip lawyers. I'll continue to avoid that state for now.

 

[Carry_24/7]

Tinner, its not that restrictive. Being near a school, walking by a school, etc is permited by a licensed concealed carrier; just don't tread onto the school property. I've taken the class, read and have a copy of the law and IL State police interpretations, and had the chance to question and answer with the IL State Police and a City of Chicago Police Officer on these issues. Parking lots are safe zones for carriers having to do business in restricted areas except in a few isolated instances. While the new IL law is more restrictive than some states, its a start....and its not the worse either. Lets give it a chance and move for better days. Rumors will not help our cause.

 

[Jim March]

The ban on carry on public transit is the single biggest "gotcha" and is clearly set up to limit carrying among those too poor to own a car.

 

[output]

Be aware that Illinois is a virtual minefield of traps for the carrier. You can be legal in one block, illegal in the next due to school proximity, 'safe zones', (which means that only bangers can carry there), etc.
Their set of restrictions reads like a book of lawyerese that I believe will even trip lawyers. I'll continue to avoid that state for now.

Sir, you really have no idea what you are talking about. The law is not perfect but it is not as bad you claim it to be. The “safe zones” you are speaking of do not apply to someone that is “legally” carrying. Please read the law before you post about it.

The ban on carry on public transit is the single biggest "gotcha" and is clearly set up to limit carrying among those too poor to own a car.

That is correct. The sad part is that this will only affect a portion of the population (lower income) that needs to be able to carry. If you ride a train or bus in Chicago, your chances of being victimized are drastically increased IMO. I believe this is going to be one of the fist things that we try to fix or correct come the new legislative session.

 

[Luger_carbine]

Interesting new twist on Moore v Madigan - Social Media

Alan Gura seems to be taking the fight against Lisa Madigan to the Internet, with his blog, especially stressing how she is wasting the money of Illinois taxpayers


From Alan Gura's blog:

Waiters, cabbies, and anyone else whose Illinois livelihood depends at least in part on gratuities, listen up: your attorney general is against tipping. Or at least, she doesn’t want me to tip you when I travel to Illinois on business. Or, at least on the business of stopping her from violating your constitutional rights.

Madigan is spending gobs of taxpayer money–the money withheld from your wages–fighting the idea that tipping is customary and ordinary. And it’s probably a losing battle, which will cost you more money.

http://alangura.com/2014/07/lisa-madigan-doesnt-want-you-to-tip/

I don't quite understand the folks in Illinois they seem to tolerate a lot of fraud an abuse, but it is an interesting twist, using a new tactic to appeal directly to the citizens, although I'm not sure how many people in Illinois read Alan Gura's blog...

 

[BobCat45]

This comment may not belong in this thread, but...

There is an article in the Chicago Tribune this morning about a fellow with a "concealed carry permit" who reportedly shot an attacker. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story

This happened in Chicago, and I did not see any reference to charges being filed against the concealed carry person, only against the attacker he shot.

There is not enough detail in the article to enable informed comment on whether or not the situation could have been deescalated or not. Reportedly the fellow was leaving a party with some friends, a woman in his group noticed a beverage container on top of their car, asked that it be moved, a person on the street responded by going in a house for a handgun, came out and began firing. The concealed carry person returned fire at that time.

The article did say that the concealed carry person was a military veteran, that he fired twice, and both rounds struck the attacker, who fired first.

If the tail of this thread about the demise of Illinois ban on concealed carry is the wrong place to post this report on this incident, please delete.

 

[motorhead0922]

Bobcat, this is the logical outcome of law-abiding citizens being able to defend themselves with the same tools the thugs have always had. Innocent lives saved.

 

[BobCat45]

Agreed, completely. But I was born there, and it was the very last state to institute any kind of concealed carry, and having the "good guys" in a position to shoot back is kind of liberating. Even though I haven't lived there for about 30 years.