Identify these 4 gems

[JohnRaven]

The one on the left looks like 11mm Mannlicher(?)
Not to sure on the other one.

 

[JohnRaven]

These 2 look to be maybe .43 /44 Spanish?






Any ideas?


Thanks!

 

[johnwilliamson062]

1. High powered military assault cartridge
2. High powered military assault cartridge
3. High powered military assault cartridge
4. High powered military assault cartridge

How long is it going to take for my press pass to show up since I passed the test?

 

[Blindstitch]

The one on the left looks like 11mm Mannlicher(?)
Not to sure on the other one.

 

[Blindstitch]

These 2 look to be maybe .43 /44 Spanish?

Any ideas?

 

[Blindstitch]

If you have some calipers I would measure the length, bullet thickness, and maybe rim size to help people.

 

[Scorch]

In image #1, that looks like 11X60Rmm (11mm Mauser) and 11X58Rmm (43 Spanish).

Image 3 looks like 11X53Rmm (11mm Comblain) and 10.4X47Rmm Italian Vetterli.

But give us some dimensions to go on, please.

 

[JohnRaven]

#1 on the LEFT

Bullet diameter = Just a hair over 11mm
Brass length = 60mm
OAL = 76mm
From primer to the start of the shoulder = 38mm
OAL width of the rim =16.5


#1 on the RIGHT
Bullet diameter = Just under 11mm
Brase Length = just under 58mm
OAL = 75.5mm
From primer to the start of the shoulder =58mm
OAL width of the rim =16.5


#2 on the LEFT
Bullet diameter = 11.5mm
Brase Length = 51mm
OAL = 66mm
From primer to the start of the shoulder = 35mm
OAL width of the rim = 17mm


#2 on the RIGHT
Bullet diameter = 11.5mm
Brase Length = 48mm
OAL = 62mm
From primer to the start of the shoulder = 33mm
OAL width of the rim = 17mm


Measurement from the base of the case to the shoulder is kind of iffy, but its pretty close.

Hopefully that helps!

Thanks!

 

[jonnyc]

The round on the right, with the paper patch and 4 place Cyrillic headstamp, is a .42 Russian Berdan.
The left hand round is apparently an 11mm Mauser, made by Remington.

 

[JohnRaven]

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[JohnRaven]

Thanks for the replies!

Looks like we have

#1 = 11mm Mauser)

#2 = .42 Russian Berdan

#3 = 577.450 Martini Henry?

#4 = .43 Spanish

Really not sure what #3 is...

There are a handful of cartridges out there that are very similar to 577-450 MH.

Measured it again and it's 11.40mm / 0.448

Hmmm!

Thoughts?

 

[JohnRaven]

Okay fella's...

Here's the mystery round...

44-60 sharps/winchester??

It looks VERY close to 44-60 Peabody but the OAL is too short

I measured again and this is as accurate as I can get it

Bullet = .448
Case Length = 2.00
OAL = 2.57
Rim dia. = .665
Base of brass = .578
Neck dia. = .484

 

[JohnRaven]

VICTORY!!!!

I'm 99.999% sure this is.....wait for it.....

11X52R Dutch Beaumont!


https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/11-3x50r-11x52r-dutch-beaumont-cartridges/6702/2

 

[Mike Irwin]

"Okay fella's...

Here's the mystery round...

44-60 sharps/winchester??"

Nope. Base and rim diameters are WAY too big for the Winchester rounds.

I think you're a lot closer to actual with the Peabody round. It's a lot closer to the .44-95 Peabody, but it's still a tad short.