FrankenMauser
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The title of the thread says it all:
How many members manufacture bullets for sale? Do you have a Class 6 FFL?
I have decided to sell off some of my firearms and reloading supplies (dies and brass) to pay for bullet swaging equipment. It's something I have always wanted to do; and I'm to the point in my reloading hobby, that I need to add another "complication" to the process. Losing a few cartridges (and rifles) will allow me to get more "bang for my buck" out of the remaining rifles.
I have been considering selling bullets, on the side, as an added bonus of having the equipment. ...Which, of course, led me to researching the proposition. I was actually quite surprised, when I found that the definition in 18 USC 44 § 921(a)(17)(A) was as follows:
This single definition requires bullet manufacturers (not just loaded ammunition manufacturers) to obtain a Class 6 FFL. Failing to obtain the FFL for bullet manufacturing has the same penalties as failing to obtain the FFL for manufacturing loaded ammunition.
Most of the "small time" bullet manufacturers I have done business with do not have an FFL (including my preferred source of 9mm bullets). Digging around the internet; I found dozens of people claiming "their interpretation" of 921a was different, and they did not need to obtain the Class 6 FFL. (Most other types of FFLs also allows the manufacture of ammunition. Many of these statements clarified that they held no FFL, whatsoever.) This made me wonder if the members on TFL would provide some input.
So...
Do you sell the bullets you swage or cast?
Did you obtain a Class 6 FFL?
Regardless of popular opinion, I'll be applying for the Class 6 FFL after I get some decent bullets coming off the press. At $10 a year, one 'production area' inspection a year (maybe more), and lots of CYA... it shouldn't be bad.
And... if any of you manufacture loaded ammunition, and exploit the loophole in the excise tax, feel free to comment.
How many members manufacture bullets for sale? Do you have a Class 6 FFL?
I have decided to sell off some of my firearms and reloading supplies (dies and brass) to pay for bullet swaging equipment. It's something I have always wanted to do; and I'm to the point in my reloading hobby, that I need to add another "complication" to the process. Losing a few cartridges (and rifles) will allow me to get more "bang for my buck" out of the remaining rifles.
I have been considering selling bullets, on the side, as an added bonus of having the equipment. ...Which, of course, led me to researching the proposition. I was actually quite surprised, when I found that the definition in 18 USC 44 § 921(a)(17)(A) was as follows:
18 USC 44 § 921(a)(17)(A) said:The term "ammunition"
means ammunition or cartridge cases,
primers, bullets, or propellant powder
designed for use in any firearm
This single definition requires bullet manufacturers (not just loaded ammunition manufacturers) to obtain a Class 6 FFL. Failing to obtain the FFL for bullet manufacturing has the same penalties as failing to obtain the FFL for manufacturing loaded ammunition.
Most of the "small time" bullet manufacturers I have done business with do not have an FFL (including my preferred source of 9mm bullets). Digging around the internet; I found dozens of people claiming "their interpretation" of 921a was different, and they did not need to obtain the Class 6 FFL. (Most other types of FFLs also allows the manufacture of ammunition. Many of these statements clarified that they held no FFL, whatsoever.) This made me wonder if the members on TFL would provide some input.
So...
Do you sell the bullets you swage or cast?
Did you obtain a Class 6 FFL?
Regardless of popular opinion, I'll be applying for the Class 6 FFL after I get some decent bullets coming off the press. At $10 a year, one 'production area' inspection a year (maybe more), and lots of CYA... it shouldn't be bad.
And... if any of you manufacture loaded ammunition, and exploit the loophole in the excise tax, feel free to comment.
(Emphasis mine)Reloading of used shells or cartridges is considered manufacturing for
purposes of excise tax. Sale of such
shells by the reloader is subject to the
excise tax. However, if the reloader
merely reloads shells belonging to a
customer and is paid for labor and materials, the reloading service is not a taxable sale, as long as the reloader
returns the identical shells provided by
the customer to that same customer. In
such instances the customer is the
manufacturer and would not be liable for
tax if the shells are manufactured for
personal use. If the customer sells reloaded shells or uses them in a business, e.g., shooting range, the customer
would be liable for the tax.