There's a pretty good explanation of how to fill out a Form 1 already done here: http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=87943
How does NFA work when it's a DIY conversion?
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Machineguntony
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Speedy recovery to your dad, Gunfixr.
I have a question then. I have gone to a place in Oregon that lets you shoot fully automatic firearms. I even shot an AA12. I am fairly sure that no AA12s where made before 1984. How is that a legal business? Im sure its legal cause Its very large and advertises letting people shoot fully automatics.
I just did a google search and with in 10 seconds found a place that will let you shoot a fully auto FN P90. Those a pretty new too right?
Can they make them but just not sell them?
I just did a google search and with in 10 seconds found a place that will let you shoot a fully auto FN P90. Those a pretty new too right?
Can they make them but just not sell them?
Any machine gun made after may of 1986 is non transferable, therefore, not available for purchase by the general population.
The only groups who can possess them are: the federal government, law enforcement agencies, firearms manufacturers who also have a special occupational tax (sot) paid, and firearms dealers who have an sot paid and a demonstration letter from a law enforcement agency.
Manufacturers can make as many as they want, but they can only be sold to, and possessed by, these groups.
Renting a machine gun is an entirely different matter, as the business never relinquishes "possession".
The only groups who can possess them are: the federal government, law enforcement agencies, firearms manufacturers who also have a special occupational tax (sot) paid, and firearms dealers who have an sot paid and a demonstration letter from a law enforcement agency.
Manufacturers can make as many as they want, but they can only be sold to, and possessed by, these groups.
Renting a machine gun is an entirely different matter, as the business never relinquishes "possession".
For instance, we have, at the shop, a full auto 10/22 that I converted 2 yrs ago. That makes it a "post sample" the common term in the industry for machine guns made after '86.
The business owns it, as a manufacturer (07) with sot.
I cannot sell it to you.
I cannot buy it myself.
I can let you shoot it, or rent it to you here on the property. I can bring it to your property and let you shoot it. I cannot leave it from my immediate presence.
If the business is dissolved, it must either be: sold to one of the groups mentioned above, given to batfe, or destroyed and proof given of its destruction to batfe.
The business owns it, as a manufacturer (07) with sot.
I cannot sell it to you.
I cannot buy it myself.
I can let you shoot it, or rent it to you here on the property. I can bring it to your property and let you shoot it. I cannot leave it from my immediate presence.
If the business is dissolved, it must either be: sold to one of the groups mentioned above, given to batfe, or destroyed and proof given of its destruction to batfe.
No, it is a little different than the tax on booze or tobacco, since the 86 ban, the machine gun part is more like the fed tax on pot. It exists, you can even pay it, but they won't let you buy the item.
Sadly, unlike pot (right or wrong) there is no local "grassroots"
push to de-restrict machineguns. There is some for "silencers" and even some for SBRs and shotguns, but not machine guns. That's just too much for the generations of conditioned thought in the USA today.dogtown tom
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The Federal Marihuana Tax was ruled unconstitutional in 1969......you could not pay it if you wanted to.
That gun was a lot of fun. Had it about 2-3 months before sending it to the customer, waiting on the form 3 (dealer to dealer).
Was shooting it pretty regular. Even at the cheap $5 a box stuff, it was adding up, so while we hated to see it go, my wallet sure didn't mind it going.
Even took it to a 3 gun shoot.
Was shooting it pretty regular. Even at the cheap $5 a box stuff, it was adding up, so while we hated to see it go, my wallet sure didn't mind it going.
Even took it to a 3 gun shoot.
"The Federal Marihuana Tax was ruled unconstitutional in 1969......you could not pay it if you wanted to."
Odd, since it's plain that's exactly how the Registry works, isn't it? Or is the fact they "accept" your payment prior to disapproving the form & refunding you the 'legal' difference that covers them? In any case, there's an awful lot of people pleading with the Bureau to take their money for taxes that go unsatisfied...
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Odd, since it's plain that's exactly how the Registry works, isn't it? Or is the fact they "accept" your payment prior to disapproving the form & refunding you the 'legal' difference that covers them? In any case, there's an awful lot of people pleading with the Bureau to take their money for taxes that go unsatisfied...
TCB
dogtown tom
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No, the machine gun registry closed due to the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986.
In the first, the tax was ruled unconstitutional, the closing of the registry was legislation that prohibited new firearms from being added. It has not been ruled unconstitutional.
The FOPA did a great deal of good for a great many people. President Reagan was encouraged and inclined to support it in its unamended form.
Senator Hughes introduced his amendment at the last minute. He also poured on tons of rhetoric about saving school children from the scourge of drug dealers with machine guns and whatnot. He was able to get enough votes to keep it attached.
Supporters of the bill didn't want to wait until the next legislative session, in which the balance of congress might have changed. The idea was that the amendment would have been overturned later. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Machineguntony
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The time to overturn Hughes has long passed. In a few more generations, machine guns will become antiques. With enough passage of time, there will be no more civilian machine guns, even if it takes a few hundred of years.
At least we're lucky that we don't have the situation in Canada. The situation in Canada is that only current machine gun owners can buy machine guns, and the machine guns must come from current owners. Thus, the situation in Canada is that there are: 1. no new machine guns; and 2. there are no new machine gun owners.
In Cananda, they have a Highlander situation, where one day, the last surviving machine gun owner will own all the machine guns in Canada. After the Canadian Highlander gets all the Canadian machine guns, he will live forever and rule the Canadian Earth. The end.
At least we're lucky that we don't have the situation in Canada. The situation in Canada is that only current machine gun owners can buy machine guns, and the machine guns must come from current owners. Thus, the situation in Canada is that there are: 1. no new machine guns; and 2. there are no new machine gun owners.
In Cananda, they have a Highlander situation, where one day, the last surviving machine gun owner will own all the machine guns in Canada. After the Canadian Highlander gets all the Canadian machine guns, he will live forever and rule the Canadian Earth. The end.
True, but it's probably even easier to make an FNC autosear: http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4183110305/10426185/9caf4d289639fcf0d7b99e6da3f2439f.jpg
I don't think this is true. And, why make this about Republicans???
Machineguntony
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The more I think about the machine gun ban, the more I get upset. I mean, if I showed you my 30 year old pistol, most young kids would think, "that thing is ugly". Show them a brand new H&K pistol, and it's the coolest thing ever.
But everyone who sees a legal machine gun thinks it's so cool. It's another ugly 30 year old gun!
And the more I look at an MP7, the madder I get.
My apologies to the older shooters. lol.
But everyone who sees a legal machine gun thinks it's so cool. It's another ugly 30 year old gun!
And the more I look at an MP7, the madder I get.
My apologies to the older shooters. lol.