How Bad is S&W Hurting Now? (or are they?)

[USP45]

Here is some interesting stuff from a really good gun-shop in Massachusetts:

Four Seasons Firearms, Regulations Page

Regulation Update

We urge our subscribers, even if you are outside of Massachusetts to call, write and/or fax the Presidents of companies like BERETTA, GLOCK, H&K and RUGER asking them to manufacture Mass. compliant pistols as SIG is doing. This would allow us to sell other makes to our customers. Please note:Similar regulations may be adopted by Attorney Generals in other states and restrict others from buying high quality firearms.

I suggest NOT to email these manufacturers since a simple click of the DELETE button would erase your message. Following are telephone and fax numbers for your use. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT! Contrary to what some manufacturers may believe, Massachusetts is a strong market for high quality handgun sales and they shouldn't write us off.

Glock:
TEL: 770-432-1202
FAX: 770-433-8719

Don't forget to remind Glock that the Boston PD recently purchased over 2,500 Glocks, that many local police departments use them and that 1000's of units are sold every year to Massachusetts licensed consumers. All they will tell us right now is that they are "working on this matter". As we interpret the regs, they need a 10+ pound trigger pull (this is easily installed), a second serial number (SW and Walther USA have done this) and a loaded round indicator.

H&K:
TEL: 800-795-4867
FAX: 703-450-8160

H&K has said that they have no intention of making a Mass. compliant pistol in the foreseeable future. As we understand it, all they have to do is add a second serial number and possibly increase the double action trigger pull to 10+ pounds. Massachusetts shooting sports customers have supported H&K in a substantial way over the years. We now need them to support US!

Beretta:
TEL: 301-283-2191
FAX: 301-283-0435

Beretta has told us that they are working on coming out with Mass. compliant pistols soon. Hopefully it will be sooner than later.

Say what you will about Smith & Wesson and their agreement, however they immediately complied with the regulations. Sig is online to deliver Mass. guns very soon. Why can't others do the same?

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Just so that you know, nearly all of S$W's line contained the features of and pre-dated the Massachusetts Regulations. S$W had no problem abiding by the Regulations (almost as if S$W was in on the deal.)

As far as i'm concerned, screw S$W. Plain and simple.

They have claimed that they signed on out of fear from law suits by cities; nearly all law suits against gun manufacturers have been canceled by the court system, without much in the ways of legal expenses. Furthermore, the agreement has not protected them in the least from the suits that haven't been stopped yet.

Anyone who wishes to be "judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" should consider this when puchasing a new pistol/revolver.

Yes, I am boycotting S$W, but more importantly, yes I am supporting Glock, H&K, SIG, Beretta, et.al.

Though I am happy to see that Sig and Beretta are commencing to obeying the new Massachusetts Regulations, i do not hold anything against Glock and H&K if they choose not to. They are all makeing their own, unpressured choices. We are the ones who should be fighting the BS such as what is happening in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Californa, etc. In doing this, we should support only the companies who help us.

God help us all.




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~USP

"... I rejoice that America has resisted [The Stamp Act]. Three millions of people, so dead to all feelings of liberty as to voluntarily submit to being slaves, would have been fit instruments to make slaves of the rest of us." -- William Pitt, British Parliament, December 1765

 

[Mikul]

If S&W wanted to warm the hearts of gun owners, it would wait until 1 month before the November election and then back out of the deal claiming that Clinton never lived up to his part of the bargain, and they'll make guns any way they see fit.

This would really hurt Gore at the worst possible time.

 

[Battler]

The bloodsucking lawyers behind the deal were comparing S&W's break with one made years back by some small tobacco company, that broke the bigger ones.

Of course, guns are such a smaller market that they don't have the cash to even survive cases they WIN.

Let S&W die - I need to look at Tauruses

Battler.

 

[Mikul]

The reason the whole tobacco industry fell is because one company admitted that they were addictive. This gave precidence to sue the other companies. Smith & Wesson admitted nothing. Heck, there's nothing to admit.

 

[M1911]

First tobacco. Then guns. Mark my words, the fast food industry is the lawyers cross-hairs. After all, their food is clearly "unsafe" (high cholesterol, high calories). And more importantly, they've got deep pockets.

Jared

 

[Battler]

Probably meat before fast food (hear Klint recently on new meat restrictions?)

Only thing that proects these evil burdens on society is the majority of people who use them. Socialists also hate cars, even though most use them. Because they hate freedom - you can just hop in a car in one place, and without "paperz pleeze" you just appear somewhere else. They harass car ownership (i.e. making up enviro-crap) but are forced to tolerate them.

I read a site (don't have it any more) where this guy was advocating vegetarianism - from a health perspective fine - but he kept bringing up how we should "bring political dialog" on eating meat, and "examine envoronmental impact of meat production, and how it takes more resources to make meat than lentils". Kind of how rosie talks aboiut guns - "just harass them and tell everyone how bad they are; but we don't want to take them away". Were vegetarians the majority meateaters would be in trouble.

Smith and Wesson DID admit things - they admitted that assault weapons/high-caps appeal to criminals/are for criminal purposes only, and that guns are inherently unsafe (by agreeing to change them).

The GCA of '68 is the equivalent of the Surgeon General's warning - that guns have to have "sporting purposes" - i.e. you no longer have the right to combat arms. You can only import a Glock because it has "target pistol" features on it to add up to a certain score. Snubbies cannot be imported to the US.


Battler.

 

[crobrun]

name this quote:

MEAT PIMP!!!!!!!!!!!

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[loknload]

Handguns magazine has an interview with Ed Shultz in the July issue. I just picked it up last night. Ed claims, That he was not pressured by Thompkins to sign. He did so that the Company could move forward and leave the lawsuits behind them. They were doing most of the stuff in the agreement anyway.Ed said that if they would not have signed the company would have gone out of business. He goes on to say that he would rather be put out of business by his customers then have the antis do it. He believes that this agreement was their only option and knew the backlash it would bring from the gun owning public.
His final statement on the 2nd was that they can take his guns right after the firefight.
Its a good read, As far as I'm concerned they still sold us out in more ways then one.
Only will buy pre sellout Smiths

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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous

 

[bullseye]

Originally posted by loknload:
He did so that the Company could move forward and leave the lawsuits behind them.

Yet many cities didn't buy into the agreement and are still proceeding with their lawsuits. So *&* isn't completely out of the woods. Legisation through litigation, blackmail and greedy trial lawyers is what all this is; pure and simple. I was about to put my money down on a new 629 classic, but not now, not ever until *&* sees the error of their ways and joins with the other gun makers.

 

[DeadCalm]

It may have been suggested by others, but here's an idea for S&W, excerpted from a letter I wrote to Mr. Ed (the talking horse's a**). Full text posted elsewhere in this forum.

"May I offer a modest proposal? Take a page out of Olin’s book. They licensed the Winchester name to another concern that wanted to build their rifles, firearms having been an enterprise that Olin managed unenthusiastically. Olin retained the trademark rights to Winchester ammunition. It seems to have been a win-win arrangement, and brought better products to market in the bargain. Why not do the same with your handgun division? License the S&W name to another entity that would like to build your guns. Besides, your British bosses would clearly rather make bicycles and do other things that yield higher profit margins. They probably think this 2nd Amendment Yank stuff is just plain silly anyway, and rather inconvenient, don’t you know. Fine. But don’t let Smith & Wesson drag the rest of the industry down with it."

Just a thought.

 

[Imbroglio]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M1911:
First tobacco. Then guns. Mark my words, the fast food industry is the lawyers cross-hairs. After all, their food is clearly "unsafe" (high cholesterol, high calories). And more importantly, they've got deep pockets.

Jared[/quote]


It has begun.

Critics Say Government Is Declaring War on Fatty Foods
By Jim Burns
CNS Senior Staff Writer
01 June, 2000
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\CUL20000601c.html