Hi-Point Pistols: Good for the money?
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deerslayer303
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Yeah that IS good advice on the Makarov (CZ82) , I've been wanting to buy one for sometime. They also have POLYGONAL rifling. But J&G sells some that have brand new barrels on them and I think they are chambered for 380 instead of 9X18 MAK
sigarms228
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Seriously?
I suppose these two look similar to you also?? Separated a birth??
I suppose these two look similar to you also?? Separated a birth??
I see them selling at gun shows in the $150 range. At that price, I'd say that Hi-Point is NOT a good value. For a little more money, you can find much better quality used guns. You'll have at least $150 into a Hi-Point 9mm even if you find one on gunbroker after you account for shipping and transfer.
This is not a comment on whether they work or not - just whether I think they are a good value. Also, used Hi-Points are hard to sell and you won't get much for them.
When I can find a nice used Ruger all stainless P89 for roughly $200 - $250, I see absolutely no sense in paying $150 for a Hi-Point 9mm.
Now, if you can find a good used Hi-Point for $50 - go for it - that would be a decent value. To me, Hi-Points are the lowest-priced handgun that works for people who don't want to spend the time educating themselves to the variety of better quality used guns that sell around the same price point.
This is not a comment on whether they work or not - just whether I think they are a good value. Also, used Hi-Points are hard to sell and you won't get much for them.
When I can find a nice used Ruger all stainless P89 for roughly $200 - $250, I see absolutely no sense in paying $150 for a Hi-Point 9mm.
Now, if you can find a good used Hi-Point for $50 - go for it - that would be a decent value. To me, Hi-Points are the lowest-priced handgun that works for people who don't want to spend the time educating themselves to the variety of better quality used guns that sell around the same price point.
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Bad News
Bad news for a lot of you. I guess Smith & Wessons are junk too. According to Maud' Dib's list above they took place #1,6, & 7 of guns most likely to turn up at crime scenes. This is apparently how Maud classifies quality. I might be willing to take some of that S&W junk off your hands, at a discounted price of course. Haha. I missed Hi-Point on the list. Gotta go back and reread it.
Bad news for a lot of you. I guess Smith & Wessons are junk too. According to Maud' Dib's list above they took place #1,6, & 7 of guns most likely to turn up at crime scenes. This is apparently how Maud classifies quality. I might be willing to take some of that S&W junk off your hands, at a discounted price of course. Haha. I missed Hi-Point on the list. Gotta go back and reread it.
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Twins
Sigarms 228, Ever see the movie Twins where Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger are twins? The two photos you showed are similar in that they are cars. To someone who pays no attention to details they may seem more similar. Details, details, details. I do however understand about the similar look of the HiPoint and the Springfield. They do look similar enough to me that I have yet to buy a Springfield, S&W auto, Glock, etc. Not saying those are not good firearms. I just am not thrilled with the looks. I prefer more classic looks in guns. I am old school (or otherwise).
Sigarms 228, Ever see the movie Twins where Danny Divito and Arnold Schwarzenegger are twins? The two photos you showed are similar in that they are cars. To someone who pays no attention to details they may seem more similar. Details, details, details. I do however understand about the similar look of the HiPoint and the Springfield. They do look similar enough to me that I have yet to buy a Springfield, S&W auto, Glock, etc. Not saying those are not good firearms. I just am not thrilled with the looks. I prefer more classic looks in guns. I am old school (or otherwise).
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My take is your get what you pay for. Hi points are cheap. You can't compare them to even a Ruger P95 or a S&W Sigma. But Hi points do shoot and holdup well for the average shooter. Hi points are good to throw in a tool box or fishing box just in case a person needs to defend his or her life. The gun is better than nothing. Hi points are ugly, but so are a lot of semi-autos. I am not fond of a striker pistol. I prefer the old school semi-auto.
But even though I am not a big Hi Point fan, I own one. My C9 has its place and I do use it once in a while.
If a person want a "cheap" semi-auto, then buy a Hi Point.
Regards,
Howard
But even though I am not a big Hi Point fan, I own one. My C9 has its place and I do use it once in a while.
If a person want a "cheap" semi-auto, then buy a Hi Point.
Regards,
Howard
Cheapshooter
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Where as the Makarov, and CZ 82 cost more than a Hi-Point, they both have steel slides. Making them more compact than the C9 Hi-Point. The CZ 82 has a 12 round double stack magazine as compared to the Hi-Point's 8 round single stack. However neither of the former Eastern Bloc guns have the unconditional, no questions asked lifetime warranty of the Hi-Point. Caliber wise, the 9X18 Makarov is closer to, and in many loadings the same as the 380 ACP (9X17).
The article from which you're quoting is 11 years old, and the fact that they show up at crime scenes has nothing to do with their quality as a functional firearm. If that were the case, then the S&W revolver is possibly the worst handgun ever made. Jeez.
As others have said, the Hi-Points are clunky and lack refinement. They're not my cup of tea. But, they seem to be reasonably reliable for the price.
I'm very distressed with the tone this thread has taken, and I'd advise everyone here to re-read the forum rules regarding civility.
Microgunner
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They're cheap, and like everything in life, you get what you pay for.
No free lunches over at MKS/Hi-Point.
No free lunches over at MKS/Hi-Point.
As a owner of one, C9, I would say that they are inexpensive, reliable, not the best looking. If function is all you need, they will fire when you press the trigger. I have one under the bed along with an old 38 special. I'd use whatever I could grab first. Best thing you could do is find someone that has one or a gun shop that has one and ask to fire it if they have an indoor range. They do have a different feel to them.
bitttorrrent
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Doesn't this ammo cost a lot more thant 9mm?
And no I do not have a Hi-Point because every time I find one on the internet, it is sold out by the time I get around to putting in my basket. These things literally sell like hot cakes. So despite all the banter people are buying them.
I will pick one up just for the h..(fun) of it. Used guns are great if you can find them, but the lifetime warranty is harder to find one on a used gun.
For instance, I just picked up a very nice Taurus pt-99 ss, for 375.00 with around 500 rounds through it. 0 failures in my first outing, But looks like the mags were traded around and now I need two replacement ones at 30.00 each so now I am over 400.00. Taurus warranty does not cover mags after speaking with them. Gun works perfect, but one mag is worn and other is non standard and won't hold open slide after running thru. I should have checked when doing the transaction.
But even though I got this used, Taurus said if there was any problem with the gun itself just send it in and they will fix it. That is awesome.
So again, I have no problem with buying a hi-point and its lifetime warranty.
My only question is if there is an R&D department at Hi-Point and are they developing a slightly more refined 9mm in the future, or are they just going to keep producing these for the next 20 years.
GunXpatriot
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Honestly, I'm starting to look over at a CZ-82, looks like a sweet gun, watching a few videos on it as well. Seems better overall as far as quality goes. I may just look into getting both, as they're both cheap anyway. Not sure I'm ready to make the jump to a $500 pistol, just yet.
Response to GunX re Hi-Point
I shoot several .45s (Colt Gold Cup, STI Spartan; Hi-Point, and Glock).
The Hi-Point shoots at 10 yards a little better than the others __ OOPS, - change that to: I shoot the Hi-Point at 10 yards a little better than I shoot the others.
I mounted the odd 'peep' style sight on the Hi-Point when I got it. I've never seen anyone else bother to try it, but it seems to work for me.
At 25 yards I do much better with the STI Spartan than any of the four, probably the fiber front sight just works better for my eyes.
A couple of points:
If you decide to buy one -- at least take a brown paper bag with you, when you go to pay for it, so no can see what you bought.
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I shoot several .45s (Colt Gold Cup, STI Spartan; Hi-Point, and Glock).
The Hi-Point shoots at 10 yards a little better than the others __ OOPS, - change that to: I shoot the Hi-Point at 10 yards a little better than I shoot the others.
I mounted the odd 'peep' style sight on the Hi-Point when I got it. I've never seen anyone else bother to try it, but it seems to work for me.
At 25 yards I do much better with the STI Spartan than any of the four, probably the fiber front sight just works better for my eyes.
A couple of points:
- - You'll find it hard to buy a .45 acp as cheaply as a Hi-Point.
- - About the time you've fired 1500 rounds (I'm at a little over 1,000 and it still shoots the same) you'll realize that the the intital price of the firearm is only a small part of the overall cost of ownership.
- - If you only shoot 100 rounds a year - then the initial cost is a significant part of overall cost.
- - Hi-Points are bulky and heavy.
- - They (meaning the specific one I have experience with) go bang every time -- after the first 150 rounds or so.
If you decide to buy one -- at least take a brown paper bag with you, when you go to pay for it, so no can see what you bought.
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spacecoast
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But, you have to say, both of them get you to your destination, one a LOT more cheaply than the other.
I like my Hi-Point carbine. It goes bang every time.
Cheapshooter
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Another perspective on Hi-Point size!
That's my XD40 Subcompact "hiding" my Hi-Point C9!
That's my XD40 Subcompact "hiding" my Hi-Point C9!
Drummer101
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Glock barrel cost about $130 (rough estimate).
And that is what holds the cartridge.
Making the whole firearm cost that much with so much pressure makes me feel nervous.
And that is what holds the cartridge.
Making the whole firearm cost that much with so much pressure makes me feel nervous.
Clifford L. Hughes
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GunxPatriot:
I'm not going to bash Hipoint because it is reliable and a good choice for people on low budgets. However, I'm going to bash the use of the words Saturday Night Special. There's no such thing as a Saturday Night Special. The words were conjured up by anti-gunners to fire up their colleague to encourag them to vote for anti-gun legislation. By using those word you are playing into the Anti's hands.
Semper Fi.
Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
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I'm not going to bash Hipoint because it is reliable and a good choice for people on low budgets. However, I'm going to bash the use of the words Saturday Night Special. There's no such thing as a Saturday Night Special. The words were conjured up by anti-gunners to fire up their colleague to encourag them to vote for anti-gun legislation. By using those word you are playing into the Anti's hands.
Semper Fi.
Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC Retired
GunXpatriot
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Clifford, yeah, I get what you mean. I just used it as a classification for a "cheap, sh***y pistol" 
Good advice from cwok on the brown paper bag.
Good advice from cwok on the brown paper bag.
The term Saturday Night Special was not coined by anti-gunners, but they did a great job of completely changing the meaning of it and got it into the public consciousness in an attempt not only to ban firearms but to put firearm manufacturers out of business.
When I was growing up the term referred to firearms that were concealable, homemade or improvised, and low quality, including defunct firearms that were made operational with questionable methods, another connotation was that they weren't too safe. The way I remember it, they also didn't last long. I heard that they were things that took maybe a week to make, they were made for the weekend or "Saturday Night", and if they were used, it would take a week to get them operational again or another week for another SNS to be created
In the late sixties the term started to morph to include low-cost firearms.
Raven Arms, Davis, Intratech, Lorcin and others had the Saturday Night Special invective aimed at them - I guess Hi-Point too.
When I was growing up the term referred to firearms that were concealable, homemade or improvised, and low quality, including defunct firearms that were made operational with questionable methods, another connotation was that they weren't too safe. The way I remember it, they also didn't last long. I heard that they were things that took maybe a week to make, they were made for the weekend or "Saturday Night", and if they were used, it would take a week to get them operational again or another week for another SNS to be created
In the late sixties the term started to morph to include low-cost firearms.
Raven Arms, Davis, Intratech, Lorcin and others had the Saturday Night Special invective aimed at them - I guess Hi-Point too.
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