Gun Control Off Political Radar

WyldOne

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Apologies if this is a double post....I looked quickly, but didn't see this posted.

Source

Despite sniper, gun control off political radar
Once a hot issue, now its barely a whisper


Wednesday, October 9, 2002 Posted: 2:36 PM EDT (1836 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Despite frightening sniper attacks just a few miles from the U.S. Capitol, the once hot issue of national gun control appears to be dead and buried just a few weeks before hotly contested congressional elections.

Gun control initiatives took on rare momentum after the Columbine school massacres in April 1999. Each time another attack occurred at a school, a workplace or a child care center, pro-gun control lawmakers rushed to urge new laws and anti-gun control lawmakers dug in to resist. Ultimately the anti-gun control forces prevailed.

That was then. Now, amid a series of terrifying attacks not far from the very neighborhoods in which some lawmakers live, shop and send their children to school, barely a whisper is being heard about gun control in either the House or the Senate.

Some gun control advocates interviewed this week suggested that in the long run, the hard-to-crack Maryland sniper case might spur new efforts to enact state or federal laws on "ballistic fingerprinting," which would require records of unique features of each gun.

But it will be an uphill struggle and it won't start now.

"We know the political realities and we're not going to get anything through right now," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat and a long-time gun control advocate.

Boxer noted that gun control is a factor in some state elections this year, including Maryland and California.

Eventually, she predicted, the issue will reemerge on the national stage. "Sadly the momentum is on our side," she said. "Sadly because of the violence in America."

According to Robert Spitzer, a gun control expert at the State University of New York Cortland College campus: "The Republicans don't want to be seen as rabid gun-toting zealots."

"(And) many Democrats still seem to believe that the gun issue hurt them in 2000 -- including in Tennessee, Arkansas, and West Virginia," he said, referring to three states that Democrat Al Gore had not counted on losing.

But Spitzer argued that the electoral picture was actually more subtle. The National Rifle Association succeeded in squelching post-Columbine legislation and making lawmakers fear the group's power. But most of the candidates that the NRA endorsed in key 2000 Senate races actually lost, he said.

They are petrified'
New York Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, whose husband was killed and son injured by a deranged shooter on a Long Island commuter train in 1993, said convincing her colleagues that the gun issue won't harm them has been "my battle since the 2000 elections."

"There are people here who certainly support gun safety issues and they are petrified to talk about it," said McCarthy, who is sponsoring a modest bipartisan bill aimed at closing gaps in the national instant background check system that has a chance of passing before Congress breaks this month.

A bill that would protect gun manufacturers from liability lawsuits was expected to go to the House floor next week but has been delayed. Sponsor Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican, said it was put off because of "the heavy workload before Congress."

McCarthy and other critics of the bill suggested that House Republicans didn't want an NRA-backed bill on the floor while the region was spooked by a sniper.

An NRA spokesman was not available for comment but Idaho Republican Sen. Larry Craig, an NRA board member, said the sniper case showed that the anti-gun forces have it all wrong.

"They have focused all their energy on handguns as the weapon of choice for criminals and said that if we can take them all off the street the world would suddenly be a safer place. Now there is a deranged person using a long gun as a weapon -- and they can't answer that any more," Craig said.

"The answer is law enforcement and it always has been," he added.

Amy Stilwell, spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that she believed the issue resonated with voters more than many politicians realized.

"This is on the radar screens of a lot of people," she

said. "We should be talking about it more."


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Copyright 2002 Reuters. All rights reserved.
 

ahenry

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I’ve said for a long time now, that gun control has completely lost its momentum and for the most part is a dead issue now. Of course it will still hang around in this race or that race, but as far as a far reaching, national push like we suffered under Clinton, its dead. Of course, nobody should construe that statement to mean we should relax our vigil or bury our heads in the sand. Merely that it is not anywhere near the issue it was even 2 years ago. Now is the time to recover what has been lost.



BTW, This article was a perfect example of the medias attempt to back-handedly push an agenda, without actually seeming to do so.
 

snubby

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Don't count these gun control activists out just yet. They'll be back when the time is ripe. Stay alert!
 

Monkeyleg

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One thing the anti's don't have right now is a leader like Bill Clinton. 99% of the public doesn't know who Carolyn McCarthy is, no matter how many times she opens her mouth. Barbara Boxer's not far behind in name non-recognition. It was Clinton's incessant drum-beating that enabled the anti's to have a place on the national stage.

Maybe Bush isn't 100% pro-gun, but he's not out there advocating new laws every week.
 

Waitone

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Don't you just love it when anti-2's can't control the agenda.

Common sense does at times float to the surface.

To see how dead Gun control is as a political issue, take a look at how Ms. Kennedy can't make headway with it in gub. election in Maryland for cryin' out loud.

I'd like to see the pro-2 side to seize the initiative and begin an assessment and roll back of all federal gun laws. Won't happen until democrats are reduced to 32 seats in the senate; meaning it won't happen.
 

Jamie Young

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Has he ever said exactly what his views on guns are?

He trashed "assault weapons" a few years ago and agreed with the restrictions on the 10rd mag issue.:rolleyes:

Other than that I seriously doubt he'd push for anything else. We'll see.

I personally think things could go in our favor with the whole "Domestic Terrorism issue."

I pray to God that some day some TFL member gets to stop a terrorist attack and blows away an entire cell of Al Quada members with an AR15 or FAL.

Oh I dream of such wonderful things.
:)
 

Justin

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Gun control isn't dead.
Never will be.
It might look like it, but then, so does Michael Myers at the end of every 'Halloween' movie.

I assure you, gun control is alive and kicking, and will be back once the whole MD sniper thing concludes.
Right now they just don't know how to approach it.
Once they have the person in custody and find out what kind of weapon is being used, that will determine their game plan.

Look for the whole 'ballistic fingerprinting' scam to be pushed hard.
Also look for them to start making sounds to the effect of heavily regulating 'assault' rifles. Worst case scenario: AR15's get reclassified as NFA weapons that must have a tax stamp on them.
Best case scenario: same old, same old. Don't expect AW '94 to go away.
 

org1

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What's going on right now might have bad effects, no effects, or good effects.

It should mobilize all the deer hunters (if they're paying attention to what a so called "sniper rifle" looks like) and cause a lot more people to vote for the second amendment through the congressional elections. Based on the past attempt to repeal the assault weapon ban, I think there's a good chance it won't be renewed. Remember, BOTH houses of congress must vote to renew it. If the majority of the House votes not to renew, or doesn't even vote at all, it's dead. It's a lot easier to let it die than repeal it.

Anyway, if the average gunowner that's been blissfully saying "They're not after MY guns, they're after those "assault weapons" or handguns (pick one), and paying no attention, is aroused enough to write to his representatives, or even vote, our chances improve that something good will come of it.

As for the effect of the current shootings on legislation a year or more down the line, I'm not sure it'll be much. Remember Columbine? For all the sound and fury, not much was changed.

I've been wrong before, but if I was betting, I'd bet the sunset will happen, assuming Republican control of the House, or better yet, all of the legislature.
 

F=ma

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From yesterday's Wash Post:

The .223 rifle round that investigators have identified is widely used in what are loosely referred to as military and "military-style" weapons that are mass-marketed for dubious "civilian" uses. According to Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, one of the most lethal types is the sniper rifle, designed and manufactured for the purpose of killing human beings at more than five times the range at which hunters shoot deer. Precision is key: The sniper's informal motto, Mr. Diaz says, is "One shot, one kill." This distinguishes the sniper rifle from the all-too-prevalent semiautomatic assault weapon that can spray a closer, broader area with rapid fire.

(Hey, it's copied & pasted....nothing left out!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3756-2002Oct9.html

There you have it: A long arm is either a "sniper rifle", "assault weapon", or a deer gun (100 yd max range?). Definitions to be supplied by the VPC.
 

M4A3

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I pray to God that some day some TFL member gets to stop a terrorist attack and blows away an entire cell of Al Quada members with an AR15 or FAL.

My god that would be cool...wouldn't it?:D I'd like to be on point. More 4 me 2 kill.
 

Zander

Moderator
They'll be back when the time is ripe. Stay alert!
Especially on November 5th...

He [Bush] trashed "assault weapons" a few years ago and agreed with the restrictions on the 10rd mag issue.
But he ran on a platform for governor of Texas which stated, in part, that he would sign into legislation a shall-issue handgun carry permit system which his predecessor, Ann Richards, had vetoed. It passed the legislature...again...and he signed it into law. :cool:

At any rate, the real battle for the renewal of the AWB [sic] will be fought in the House of Representatives.

Vote accordingly...and I'm sure I don't need to spell out whether that would be for an 'R' or a 'D'. ;)
 

Zander

Moderator
Or an 'L'. -- Chris the Deuce
That would depend on whether you define that you live in an abstract or real world.

If the latter, you'll do everything in your power to prevent The Sociofascist Party [nee' The Democrat Party] from extending its power on any level.

The Libertarian Party hasn't a chance to effect the course of our slide into tyranny, much to my dismay.
 

pax

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The Libertarian Party hasn't a chance to effect the course of our slide into tyranny, much to my dismay.
Whereas the Republicans do, and have.

I mean, with the passage of the Patriot Act and the creation of the Office of Homeland Security (pushed by a Republican president, approved by Republicans in Congress), America is so much less likely to slide into tyranny. Authorities can now invade homes without warrants, arrest people without charges, and jail people without trials.

Yep, those Republicans sure are keeping us from sliding into tyranny, all right. :rolleyes:

pax

Don't worry. It can't happen here.
 

Tamara

Moderator Emeritus
Zander,

If the latter, you'll do everything in your power to prevent The Sociofascist Party [nee' The Democrat Party] from extending its power on any level.

How I envy those with microscopes powerful enough to discern the differences between the Sociofascist and Fascisocialist parties these days.

Sleep well in your certitude, for Tommy Ridge is on guard! ;)
 

Zander

Moderator
How I envy those with microscopes powerful enough to discern the differences between the Sociofascist and Fascisocialist parties these days.
Then your conclusion is that our Rights are more likely to be compromised by the "Fascisocialist" Party? Take it down to the Tennessee election level if you'd like and tell us who'll get your vote. I know this strains your vision of the practical but tell us just for the heck of it, 'kay? I'm particularly intrigued by any candidates on the local or state level that will get your support. Please be specific. Thanks...;)

Sleep well in your certitude, for Tommy Ridge is on guard!
My stance on that inept fool is a matter of record. Are you supporting him now or just playing chess?
 

Tamara

Moderator Emeritus
Zander,

Then your conclusion is that our Rights are more likely to be compromised by the "Fascisocialist" Party?

No, my contention is that they've both spent the last dozen years violating our rights; our only choices are which rights get eroded and how fast it happens.

Who signed the machinegun ban of '86? The assault rifle ban of '89? Whose Supreme Court nominees have systematically gutted the Fourth Amendment in the name of The War on Some Drugs? Whose watch did Ruby Ridge happen on?

Believe it or not, Zander, some of us are getting sick and tired of choosing between a fast shooting or a slow hanging.

You show me a Republicrat party commited to restoring rights, instead of just offering a different menu of violations, and I'll buy it, but at what point do you quit compromising and say: "This far, no further"? How long do you offer your allegiance in hopes of a more luxurious cell?
 
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