Here's picture of the low recoil loads I have. These cycle fine in my pump shotgun but not in my semi-auto one:
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Gas Shotgun reliability
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Here's picture of the low recoil loads I have. These cycle fine in my pump shotgun but not in my semi-auto one:
BigD_in_FL
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1145 is only 55 fps from 1200 - that should not make a difference as the weight of the payload makes up for the slower velocity
1145 with 1-1/8 equals the recoil (close enough) of a 1oz load at 1200
1145 with 1-1/8 equals the recoil (close enough) of a 1oz load at 1200
ive had my 11-87 for 8yrs. and not a single fail yet. still on its origonal o-ring pretty much shoots what ever i stuff in it. the only shells it stutters on is the wally world winchester bulk pacs. those run like crap in all my guns ive had bases come off in my mossberg 500a and my h&r pump protector not alot but how many do you need 
ive had better luck with federal bulk for practice - range blasting ammo . but yeah ive got the 28" vr. rc bbl. and the 21" rs. rc. bbl. for my 11-87 and its been a very reliable semi-auto shot gun for me .
ive had better luck with federal bulk for practice - range blasting ammo . but yeah ive got the 28" vr. rc bbl. and the 21" rs. rc. bbl. for my 11-87 and its been a very reliable semi-auto shot gun for me . NoSecondBest
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You say it's never failed and then immediately say it won't shoot "wally world" ammo, it "stutters". It appears to be a contradiction but maybe I don't understand what "stutter" means. Care to elaborate? FYI..when I was shooting competition in three gun (rifle, handgun, shotgun) I used literally thousands and thousands or "wally world" promo ammo and it functioned as well as all the premium ammo I used in competition. I used a number of Benelli and Beretta shotguns and both worked equally as reliably as the other. One was inertia and the other gas. Keep them clean and they worked like a charm. I got rid of two Browning Gold Sporting gas guns and one Remington 1187 due to failure to function no matter how clean or what ammo was used.
Let's don't get started on the old B guns versus the world track. AGAYNE !
Reliability to me does not mean how long a gun will go without cleaning. It means when it is properly taken care of, it works. My 1100s will run the Wally World Winchester cheapies all day. They rip a lot of the bases, but they fully cycle. A buddy's Browning Gold does the same, and so does another guy's Beretta. It's a function of chamber smoothness, and all chambers are not equal anymore.
Reliability to me does not mean how long a gun will go without cleaning. It means when it is properly taken care of, it works. My 1100s will run the Wally World Winchester cheapies all day. They rip a lot of the bases, but they fully cycle. A buddy's Browning Gold does the same, and so does another guy's Beretta. It's a function of chamber smoothness, and all chambers are not equal anymore.
sorry wasnt baggin on any bodys gun and i clean my guns religiously . by stutter in the 11-87 i meant stove pipes and not constant but more than i care for and i have none with the federal . my mossy's chamber is fine as also the h&r ive had nothing but bad luck with the wal-mart value pak's and that my story and im sticking to it. YMMV, thats why there are so many different brands of ammo if one doesnt work for me another will and if you like winchester and i like federal wal-mart still sell's shot gun ammo . i meant no offense to any one just talkin guns. TB9
i meant no offense to any one just talkin guns. TB9Since the SLP has a gas piston, it reduces the recoil so I can shoot a couple 100 rounds full power buckshot and/or slugs.
BigD_in_FL
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Tony, my Beretta also has a gas piston AND the Kick Off recoil dampener on the back. (Still not getting me to shoot slugs, 3 or 3.5" ammo though). Velocity is but one component of recoil, mass of the payload and mass of the gun are the other main ones. Slight variations are not linear when it comes to mass but exponential. Using the heaviest gun you can will keep your shoulder from the surgeon down the road, but even the heaviest gun should be able to fire standard loads without hiccups
Browning / Winchester are the same company now ( have been for several years ) ....and both are owned by FN. But it looks to me, like the Browning people are running the shotgun division....
There are very few, if any, other than cosmetic differences, in my opinion - between the Browning & Winchester's offerings...but the prices vary a little. You'll have to find a store that carries both and compare them side by side.
In general, Benelli's inertia guns will cost you more than most of the comparable gas gun models from Browning / Winchester or Beretta. Benelli is owned by Beretta / but Beretta has maintained their gas gun line - and Benelli has stayed in the Inertia guns...
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Shoot what you like the best .... personally, I favor the Benelli - in a clays gun, I like their Super Sport offerings in both 12ga and 20ga...and I've had one of each for a little over 10 yrs now....both still very solid guns / Browning Silver series is attractive based on price - and a good gun for the money in my view / Browning Maxus is a solid gun ....Beretta has a lot of offerings and they're nice guns as well.
I don't know which model is the cheapest ...from all 4 companies ...it comes down to what gun "Fits" you the best, what your budget is ....you can't pick a bad gun from Browning, Winchester, Beretta or Benelli in my view...and they have shotguns from $ 700 - to well over $ 2,000...( but I can't recommend some of the other Beretta companies like Stoeger or Franchi - because I don't they are up to the standards of the guns made under the Beretta or Benelli name - based on what I see at our local ranges).
There are very few, if any, other than cosmetic differences, in my opinion - between the Browning & Winchester's offerings...but the prices vary a little. You'll have to find a store that carries both and compare them side by side.
In general, Benelli's inertia guns will cost you more than most of the comparable gas gun models from Browning / Winchester or Beretta. Benelli is owned by Beretta / but Beretta has maintained their gas gun line - and Benelli has stayed in the Inertia guns...
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Shoot what you like the best .... personally, I favor the Benelli - in a clays gun, I like their Super Sport offerings in both 12ga and 20ga...and I've had one of each for a little over 10 yrs now....both still very solid guns / Browning Silver series is attractive based on price - and a good gun for the money in my view / Browning Maxus is a solid gun ....Beretta has a lot of offerings and they're nice guns as well.
I don't know which model is the cheapest ...from all 4 companies ...it comes down to what gun "Fits" you the best, what your budget is ....you can't pick a bad gun from Browning, Winchester, Beretta or Benelli in my view...and they have shotguns from $ 700 - to well over $ 2,000...( but I can't recommend some of the other Beretta companies like Stoeger or Franchi - because I don't they are up to the standards of the guns made under the Beretta or Benelli name - based on what I see at our local ranges).
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Scubasimmons
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I was an 870 wingmaster operator for a few years before I got my Browning gold hunter. It shoots 3.5" shells and the only time I ever had a problem shooting 2 3/4" low base shells is when I didn't clean it between seasons (completely my fault and my first season with the gun...no issues since). Sweet shooting gun even shootin 3.5" turkey loads at skeet (2 1/4 oz kicks like a mule).....gas guns are plenty reliable.