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Armi San Marcos?RC20 said:
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Anyone have issues with the Pietta 1858 Rem arbor allowing post shot carbon debris to enter the arbor to cylinder fit and incrementally cause the cylinder to bind ? I've tried everything including lathe machining some lubrication grooves in the shaft, and while the shaft mod helped , I still get cylinder binding after about 12 shots fired ?
armoredman
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The "1858" Remington New Model Army doesn't have an arbor - it has a cylinder pin.
Questions - what lube are you using with your loads? That gets in there with the fouling and helps keep it soft. Also, my favorite solution is Bore Butter on the cylinder pin. Really keeps fouling soft. The other option is extremely simple with the NMA - drop the cylinder every three rounds of shooting and grease up the cylinder pin with BB or some other lubrication, considering how easy it is to take the cylinder out.
Questions - what lube are you using with your loads? That gets in there with the fouling and helps keep it soft. Also, my favorite solution is Bore Butter on the cylinder pin. Really keeps fouling soft. The other option is extremely simple with the NMA - drop the cylinder every three rounds of shooting and grease up the cylinder pin with BB or some other lubrication, considering how easy it is to take the cylinder out.
"Armi San Paolo "
Yes, 44 Caliber New Army and it seems to be a well made gun with smooth action along the lines of a S&W.
Just for &^% and giggles I am tempted. I have some balls stashed for it (from my wife). I would just need powder and primers.
I might just load one at a time and skip the goop in the ends of the cylinder with multiple rounds.
Yes, 44 Caliber New Army and it seems to be a well made gun with smooth action along the lines of a S&W.
Just for &^% and giggles I am tempted. I have some balls stashed for it (from my wife). I would just need powder and primers.
I might just load one at a time and skip the goop in the ends of the cylinder with multiple rounds.
I respectfully ask that you don't crucify me but...
I swore off bore butter some years ago because:
a) It does not stand up well to heat.
b) It smells like a brothel in Pascagoula, Mississippi.
I made up my own bullet lube and patch lube using lard and beeswax. I vary the proportions depending upon its final purpose.
Okay. Here are the nails and cross. Let the crucifixion begin.
I swore off bore butter some years ago because:
a) It does not stand up well to heat.
b) It smells like a brothel in Pascagoula, Mississippi.
I made up my own bullet lube and patch lube using lard and beeswax. I vary the proportions depending upon its final purpose.
Okay. Here are the nails and cross. Let the crucifixion begin.
armoredman
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I've been to brothels in the Philippines, Korea, and other, less sordid, places, but never Pascagoula...that must be an interesting place, indeed. I do have to say the smell of BB never bothers me, as COVID took my sense of smell back in 2019, and it only seems to return right when my dog is doing his business.Doc Hoy said:
IMHO
ASP had a better reputation for smoothness and reliability. I think (but have not confirmed) the the internal parts are harder than ASM. I own probably four times as many ASMs as ASPs and I they are fine. I just think that the action on my ASPs inspire more confidence.
Photos are of an 1858 which I acquired as a junker. I shortened the barrel and loading lever and made a sight and lever catch. Blued the pistol. The grips are Elk antler sheds given to me by a kind sole on this form. I did this work about 15 years ago. It was my first attempt at cold bluing.
ASP had a better reputation for smoothness and reliability. I think (but have not confirmed) the the internal parts are harder than ASM. I own probably four times as many ASMs as ASPs and I they are fine. I just think that the action on my ASPs inspire more confidence.
Photos are of an 1858 which I acquired as a junker. I shortened the barrel and loading lever and made a sight and lever catch. Blued the pistol. The grips are Elk antler sheds given to me by a kind sole on this form. I did this work about 15 years ago. It was my first attempt at cold bluing.
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Thank you. I had not given her pistol any thought until I saw the topic in this section.
Confirms my feel on her gun that its a pretty decent quality one from the feel of the action.
I suspect I will look for caps and powder and try it out this summer. I can't say I gave the first one any chance, just messy.
Anyone know if the people back in the day actually put grease over the bullets? I just don't see that as viable in a dusty or wind blown environment.
I have noted the shaved lead ring if the balls she bought are large enough.
Probably single load rather than the goop. Or load 3 with chamber skip.
Confirms my feel on her gun that its a pretty decent quality one from the feel of the action.
I suspect I will look for caps and powder and try it out this summer. I can't say I gave the first one any chance, just messy.
Anyone know if the people back in the day actually put grease over the bullets? I just don't see that as viable in a dusty or wind blown environment.
I have noted the shaved lead ring if the balls she bought are large enough.
Probably single load rather than the goop. Or load 3 with chamber skip.
44caliberkid
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Hey Doc, nice pistola.
I shot without greasing the chambers...
... for about three years, and I never had a chain fire. The only chain fire I have ever had was on a C.O.M. 1851 Sheriff (when I was still greasing chambers). This event occurred not at the front of the cylinder but at the nipple end. Loose fitting cap lit off the next chamber. Pulled the arbor loose (brass frame).
...and thanks .44CK.
... for about three years, and I never had a chain fire. The only chain fire I have ever had was on a C.O.M. 1851 Sheriff (when I was still greasing chambers). This event occurred not at the front of the cylinder but at the nipple end. Loose fitting cap lit off the next chamber. Pulled the arbor loose (brass frame).
...and thanks .44CK.
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Honorable Hawg!
Trust you to come up with additional details.
My R and S has an AF date code (1980). No DGG marking and the maker is Euroarms America. The importer is Hawes Firearms in LA Calif. The frame is marked with Utica NY and I think that is an attempt to mimmick the original since Rodgers and Spencer operated in Willowvale, NY, a close suburb of Utica. I might note that the finish on this Rodgers and Spencer (frame) is a barely perceptible blood red tint to the bluing.
I have a Sheriff Model 1851 Colt from ASP with the DGG emblem but no Euroarms marking. Date Code is XXX or 1974.
I cannot find the actual first operation date of the Concesio manufacturing plant. Concesio (roughly translating to "concession" or "concession place") is an industrial section of Brescia.
Trust you to come up with additional details.
My R and S has an AF date code (1980). No DGG marking and the maker is Euroarms America. The importer is Hawes Firearms in LA Calif. The frame is marked with Utica NY and I think that is an attempt to mimmick the original since Rodgers and Spencer operated in Willowvale, NY, a close suburb of Utica. I might note that the finish on this Rodgers and Spencer (frame) is a barely perceptible blood red tint to the bluing.
I have a Sheriff Model 1851 Colt from ASP with the DGG emblem but no Euroarms marking. Date Code is XXX or 1974.
I cannot find the actual first operation date of the Concesio manufacturing plant. Concesio (roughly translating to "concession" or "concession place") is an industrial section of Brescia.
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Hawes
Hawes was a big outfit, relatively. They also imported a line of SAA look alikes from JP Sauer and Sohn.. Sold a darn near mint one in .357 to my little brother, he loves it. Had a heck of a time getting the Cyl. base pin out. Plenty of time and Kroil did not budge it. Rather than full disassembly to knock it out I used a pair of electronic nippers to gently lift the pin by closing the jaws, worked perfectly W/O marring the frame.
Hawes was a big outfit, relatively. They also imported a line of SAA look alikes from JP Sauer and Sohn.. Sold a darn near mint one in .357 to my little brother, he loves it. Had a heck of a time getting the Cyl. base pin out. Plenty of time and Kroil did not budge it. Rather than full disassembly to knock it out I used a pair of electronic nippers to gently lift the pin by closing the jaws, worked perfectly W/O marring the frame.