Constitution non-existent? Interesting

shootinstudent

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LAK,

I'm really impressed. You took a few snippets about Nowth American twade, and then jumped from that to "The US is going to pay for the west of the wowld's infwastwuctuwe."


Here's the question, posed by Gawand Illusion, that you did not answew:

Why, exactly, awe all the leadews of the industwialized wowld going to do this? What's in it fow them?
 

Garand Illusion

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shootinstudent -- LAK didn't answer those questions because he CAN'T. There is no answer to that or the others I've posed to him that have gone ignored, and the problems posed by those questions trump any fevered rantings about the new world order because Bush I once spoke of the United Nations actually accomplishing something and not being completely powerless.

You are naive enough to believe that you can join government bureucracies and upper-level government like this and they will not eventually be a de facto homogenous political machine at the street level?

You are naive.

I think you ahve "naive" and "educated" mixed up. Because if you replace "naive" with "educated in your quotes about me, suddenly they make sense.

You've proven nothing, just ranted on about early 20th century authors and other nut jobs whose predictions haven't come true and CAN'T come true. You've quoted legitimate people out of context -- you are just desperate to give some credibility to your deranged and dangerous view of the world.

If you haven't learned enough from this thread to realize the state of mind you're in ... there's not much more I can do to help you.

I wish you well, Lak. But don't base your life on paranoid views of the world. Best case scenario you'll realize you wasted your life, worst case scenario you'll talk yourself into being a violent McVeigh type and be rememberd as a deranged murder.

Again ... if the things you talk about come to pass I'll be right there with you fighting against them, but so far they're not even close.
 

redhawk41

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Why, exactly, awe all the leadews of the industwialized wowld going to do this? What's in it fow them?
Why would 70 years ago lots of folks be violently opposed to getting a social security number because they feared government tracking, but today most folks get one as soon as they are born?
 

shootinstudent

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Redhawk41,

Because they found out that it's not an evil scheme to ruin their lives. Just like they found out that microwaves aren't deadly bombs and that fluoridated water wasn't a mind control scheme.
 

LAK

Moderator
shootinstudent
Why, exactly, awe all the leadews of the industwialized wowld going to do this? What's in it fow them?
Very simple; they get to keep their positions.

Garand Illusion,

There are a number of people who have and do use the term. Not just George H W Bush and a few fiction writers as you imply. If you run the term on the U.N. website and other such institutional websites it is clear it is not something invented by George H W Bush. If you search the same institutional databases for the term "global governance" it clear too that it is part and parcel of their agenda - and people like Canadian PM Paul Martin don't use terms like "global economic governance" for nothing.

I am sure you are going to like it; enjoy the ride. :D
 

shootinstudent

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LAK,

If all of these people refuse to cooperate, who is going to take their positions away? Where is the invasion force going to come from, if not the cooperation of current national govenrments?

Do you have any suspects for who is actually controlling this? Could you name some individuals?
 

kjm

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Here's a way to stop the grand conspiracy from actually happening:

Have our UN representative push for a one-world government. Begin today, and push it all the time.

As soon as the French figure out what we want, they will effectively stonewall and name-call until they've figured out how to foil the plans of us yanks yet.

The one dependable thing in the world is that the French will oppose us on any and every issue. Heck-they opposed us on their own liberation, so if they're that determined, just have our next ambassador campaign for a one-world government! :D
 

LAK

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shootinstudent
If all of these people refuse to cooperate, who is going to take their positions away?
Anyone who stands against the current policies on uncontrolled migrants for example, is either not going to get elected, or they are going to find life very difficult for them on the very off chance they do. Look at the problems Michael Howard is getting in the U.K. conservative party over this very issue right now.

Margaret Thatcher, who became Prime Minister in Britain in 1979 found herself against some impromptu "unrest"; trade unions and a nationwide miners' strike, and later street riots over what was known as the poll tax. But when she stood in the way of Britain's part in the EU agenda - elements in her own cabinet divided against her and she was forced to resign. That is openly recorded historical fact.

Things have been more drastic; John F Kennedy is an example. Indira Ghandi is another of what can happen if you are a head of State that refuses to toe the line. Moise Tsombe didn't get killed right away, but persisted, and paid later.

Where is the invasion force going to come from, if not the cooperation of current national govenrments?
First of all, as you should know, U.N. troops are never referred to as an invasion force. They are "peacekeepers" remember? So there are not usually any concerns by individual nations in sending their military into any country or region on a U.N. "peacekeeping" mission - other than the subjectively perceived issues of mission and money.

Remember Rwanda? Remember the wailing that "the U.N. did nothing" about the massacre of all those people? Well, it serves a purpose; every time the U.N. "fails", the clammering for it to get some real teeth grown stronger.

If you want to talk numbers, China is now beginning to field it's own "contribution" to future U.N. "peacekeeping" operations in the form of Chinese military forces. That enough troops for you?

Do you have any suspects for who is actually controlling this? Could you name some individuals?
I do not believe that there is any one person "controlling" anything; rather a group of people at various levels who share common interests - money and power. The ones at the very top have all the money imaginable, and the ones directly beneath them share significant portions and interests. The ones on the next level also share smaller portions and some of those beneath them aspire to get a rung up are so on.

And by no means can it be a completely controlled and harmonious relationship; look at the mob. They have pacts, sometimes disagreements, and every once in awhile some maverick get's off his leash, get's greedy or too ambitious. Some once in awhile even get caught. But utlimately the ones at the very top have their common goals, they divide their turfs and targets, and they continue their business as usual.

The same principles at work can be readily observed in the corporate world, any large organization or working environment where there is a power structure, money at stake, and the usual pecking orders. The political world is really not any different and utlimately there is an interface between the political and the corporate world where the interests of both converge. The most overt example of this is the so-called "public-private partnership" openly introduced during the Clinton administration and expanded by the current Bush administration.

To sum things up I would have to say; follow the money. The biggest money. That will give you your suspects.
 

LAK

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LAK
Remember Rwanda? Remember the wailing that "the U.N. did nothing" about the massacre of all those people? Well, it serves a purpose; every time the U.N. "fails", the clammering for it to get some real teeth grown stronger.

And .... count one, two, three, hey presto! morph!

And according to the NYTs, it has been morphing for ten years ...

"It may look like war but it's peacekeeping" - Lt. Gen. Babacar Gaye of Senegal, the force commander in Congo.

Right ;)

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/23/news/congo.php

After failures, UN peacekeepers get tough
By Marc Lacey The New York Times
TUESDAY, MAY 24, 2005

NAIROBI The United Nations, burdened by its inability to stave off the mass killings in Rwanda in 1994 and by failed missions in Bosnia and Somalia, is allowing its peacekeepers to mount some of the most aggressive operations in its history.

The change has been evolving over the last decade as the Security Council adopted the notion of "robust peacekeeping" and rejected the idea that the mere presence of blue-helmeted soldiers on the ground helps quell combat.

It is most obvious in Congo, which commands by far the largest deployment of UN troops in the world. Peacekeepers in armored personnel carriers, facing enemy sniper attacks as they lumber through rugged dirt paths in the eastern Ituri region, are returning fire.

Attack helicopters swoop down over the trees in search of tribal fighters. And peacekeepers are surrounding villages in militia strongholds and searching hut by hut for guns.

"The ghost of Rwanda lies very heavily over how the UN and the Security Council have chosen to deal with Ituri," said David Harland, a top official at the UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations in New York.

A turning point came in 2000 after rebels in Sierra Leone killed some peacekeepers and took hundreds more hostage. The United Nations commissioned a review, headed by Lakhdar Brahimi, the former foreign minister of Algeria, which called for troops to be deployed more rapidly in peace operations.

"No amount of good intentions can substitute for the fundamental ability to project credible force," the Brahimi report said.

Recently a commander in eastern Congo, a Bangladeshi colonel named Hussain Mahmud Choudhury, pointed at a huge map in his office in Bunia, the regional capital, to show a reporter where his troops had been chasing the militias.

"Here, here, here," he said, banging on the map.

"If we hear they are somewhere, we move in," he said. "We don't get them all the time, but they have to run. Their morale is shattered, and from a military point of view, that is everything."

Peace missions in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Kosovo, Burundi and Ivory Coast all have their own rules of engagement. But they have also moved well beyond the traditional notion of peacekeeping in which blue helmets occupy a neutral zone.

Nowhere do war and peace seem as cloudy as in Congo, where peacekeepers received a stronger mandate from the Security Council in 2003, and where at least one human rights group has complained of civilian casualties.

"The trend over the last decade," said Margaret Carey, an Africa specialist at the UN's peacekeeping office, "is that you deal with many factions, factions that don't always have a political agenda and that are not always committed to peace. Ituri is an extreme example."

The operation in Congo began as a modest observer mission in 1999. It has mushroomed, now commanding 16,500 soldiers - but is still regarded as understaffed by UN officials in New York.

After the failed missions of the 1990s, Western countries began contributing significantly fewer troops overseas. In 1998, about 45 percent of peacekeepers came from Western armies. The figure is now less than 10 percent; most now come from the developing world.

In Congo, most of the peacekeepers are Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Nepalese.

As they root out the insurgents that prey on Ituri's population, UN soldiers have at their disposal tanks, armored personnel carriers, Mi-25 attack helicopters, mortars and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, all of which are getting heavy use.

"It may look like war but it's peacekeeping," said Lieutenant General Babacar Gaye of Senegal, the force commander of the largest and most robust of the 18 UN peacekeeping operations around the world.

Their opponents are tribal fighters who ignored the UN deadline of April 1 for disarming.

As the United Nations has become more aggressive, many tribal warriors have disarmed. Of the 15,000 fighters that the UN estimates once operated in Ituri, nearly 14,000 have turned in weapons.

The holdouts are fierce, and show no signs of surrendering. In February, militia fighters ambushed a group of Bangladeshi soldiers on a foot patrol around a camp of displaced people. Nine peacekeepers were killed, then mutilated.

Just last week, another Bangladeshi patrol was ambushed. This time, six were wounded and one was killed. At a memorial service for the soldier, Dominique Aitouyahia-McAdams, the top civilian in the UN operation in Bunia, said the death would only embolden the operation in its quest for peace.

UN peacekeepers in Congo were not always so aggressive. For years, they were criticized for huddling in their camps as atrocities recurred in the countryside. Now, some critics condemn them for being too aggressive.

Justice Plus, a human rights group based in Bunia, lamented that when the peacekeepers raided a market, some civilians "paid with their life while the mandate of the United Nations was to protect them."

Mahmud, the Bangladeshi colonel who is Gaye's commander in the east, grimaced at the suggestion that his troops have been cavalier. He accused the militias of sending waves of women and children out front as human shields during their attacks.

But he cited two wars to illustrate his men's caution in peacekeeping.

"What about the Americans in Iraq or the Americans in Afghanistan - no collateral damage there?" he asked. "We've been more rational, more sensible."

Making contact with the militia fighters is risky. But sympathizers - former fighters who have turned in their guns but whose loyalties remain with their compatriots in the bush - offer a sense of their thinking.

"They think they're good fighters," a former militia fighter, an ethnic Lendu, said of the peacekeepers. "But they hide in their armored cars. We fight in the open air. We don't fear them."

Another former fighter said he might pick up his gun again if he did not get a job.

Not far from Bunia, awful things continue. Villagers are on the run. Men with guns and machetes chase them.

In the midst of it, heavily armed UN soldiers are trying to extend their reach. They engage in something shy of war. But it is a long way from peace.
 
Yawn.


I'm still waiting for all of the predictions for a socialist worker's paradise through world communism by 2000, as predicted by Stalin, Kruschev, Larionov, or one of those others, to come to fruition

I want my world communism, goddamnit!

What? The Soviet Union fell, and there won't be a socialist worker's paradise?

Damn.
 

redhawk41

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perhaps you should tell all the illegal immigrants that are receiving taxpayer funded healthcare, at no cost to themselves, that world communism does not exist. or maybe the folks in africa who eat food that was provided by the un, whom the us government funds using taxpayer's money, or ... yawn
 
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