CCW not welcome in Disney Springs

[smee78]

So this week I was at Disney Springs with my family, while we were shopping I was approached by security with a dog. Security said the dog alerted on me and asked me if I was carrying a weapon. I was taken off guard at first, this is the first time this has ever happened to me, but I answered yes and I have a concealed carry permit. Then they called deputies to our location, I was asked to provide my concealed carry permit to the deputies. They performed a warrant check (I guess) on me and everything was fine on their end. Security then told me that this was private property and that I could not carry here. The deputies even told me in private that they were not allowed to carry off duty on property either.

There were no signs posted anywhere stating I could not carry on the property, I looked as I was walking in because I know you cannot carry in the parks. After further conversation security informed me that this place was just like the parks. I said, I did not pay to enter here and there was no security to be processed through so its not like the parks. For those of you who don't know, Disney Springs is just like an open air shopping mall, no controlled entry's, no security, anyone can walk in off the streets of Orlando.

I was then told by some administration person who showed up that I could not ride the bus back to the resort we were staying at on property. They said I could take a cab. They payed for the cab but still I was escorted to the cab on the back side of the buildings and once I got back to the resort and went to the room I was then called on the phone by a duty manager at the resort and given flack about not being able to have a weapon on property. I told them it was secured in my truck safe, they said it could not be there in the parking lot or in the room safe on property but could be put in the house safe. (Do you really think I'm gonna turn over my weapon to some desk clerk? I don't think so.) I said I would have a friend come pick it up until I left. No more was said about it but this was at the start of our vacation on the first day.

The whole experience made me feel like I was a criminal, I was doing nothing wrong, just shopping with my family and told I was not welcome their because I was legally exercising my second amendment right and have a concealed carry permit. We have been there before and to the movies there and I always carried. Disney security is not armed, nothing but a water bottle and a radio. They had no signs posted, nothing so this can happen to anyone!

 

[davidsog]

The whole experience made me feel like I was a criminal,

Florida law does not recognize "Off Limits" signs or "No Weapons Allowed" signs for CCL holders. If you posses a valid CCL then all Disney can do is escort you off the property if they discover your firearm.

You do not need a CCL to store legally store a weapon in your vehicle in Florida.

Two things though....

1. The property owners do have the right to ask you to leave once your weapon is "discovered".

2. Open Carry is illegal in Florida. There is always the possibility that printing or the discovery of your weapon could end up with an attempt to label it "Open Carry". In this case, the dog alerted so I am pretty sure you are safe from that one.

There has been instances of non-CCL holders being charged by the Police after discovery of their weapon by Disney personnel but no issues of CCL holders being criminally charged by Florida(AFAIK). Just like in your case, Disney gets the Police involved immediately.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

There were no signs posted anywhere stating I could not carry on the property, I looked as I was walking in because I know you cannot carry in the parks.

There doesn't have to be signs.

After further conversation security informed me that this place was just like the parks. I said, I did not pay to enter here and there was no security to be processed through so its not like the parks.

There probably aren't a lot of roller coasters at Disney Springs, either, at least not the last few times I was there. You are missing the point. Payment isn't a relevant issue.

For those of you who don't know, Disney Springs is just like an open air shopping mall, no controlled entry's, no security, anyone can walk in off the streets of Orlando.

How can you possibly say that there is no security when you were stopped by a security guard with a dog???????????? There is security there. Disney has a lot of security all of their properties.

I was then told by some administration person who showed up that I could not ride the bus back to the resort we were staying at on property. They said I could take a cab. They payed for the cab

That was generous of them. They certainly did not have to cover your expense.

I told them it was secured in my truck safe, they said it could not be there in the parking lot or in the room safe on property but could be put in the house safe. (Do you really think I'm gonna turn over my weapon to some desk clerk? I don't think so.)

LOL, that's on you. They obviously do not want you accessing a firearm while you are on their property.

The whole experience made me feel like I was a criminal, I was doing nothing wrong, just shopping with my family and told I was not welcome their because I was legally exercising my second amendment right and have a concealed carry permit.

Made you feel like a criminal? That is some high drama. Were you arrested, booked, and jailed? Nope. Have you ever been a criminal to know what it feels like to be a criminal, one that has been caught? Probably not since you have a carry permit.

You were sort of exercising your legal 2nd amendment rights, right up until you were informed that you can't have a gun on their property. The 2nd amendment says that the government can't limit you and the SC says some restrictions are very much legal by the government. The 2nd amendment does not say what private property owners can't limit. That is legal reality, regardless of how you feel about the 2nd amendment and what it means to you.

We have been there before and to the movies there and I always carried.

Okay, so you didn't get caught, previously. That doesn't make it okay now.

Disney security is not armed, nothing but a water bottle and a radio.

Disney has armed security. They are behind the scenes. Disney also has a police station on park grounds. Disney intentionally tries to make their security as invisible as possible.

They had no signs posted, nothing so this can happen to anyone!

Yes and no. They don't have to have signs, but not being allowed to carry on Disney property really isn't any sort of secret. Disney offered to accommodate you and you declined. That is on you. A brief internet search any time in the last 15 years and you would have realized that Disney does not allow firearms on their properties.

Heck, if you would have checked with Disney online before entering their property, you would have learned your weapons were not available.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/resorts/guns-weapons/

You are lucky you did have your permit. Otherwise, you likely would have been charged with a felony.
https://wdwnt.com/2019/05/guest-cha...-backpack-at-transporation-and-ticket-center/

You were a guest at their resort and on their properties. Information was available to you long before you ever arrived there concerning their gun policies. Sometimes, as a responsible gun owner, it is important to take into account your travel plans before you arrive on destination, not afterwards.

 

[Paul B.]

Well, that takes anything Disney off my bucket list permanently.
Paul B.

 

[Targa]

I wish more people would take that stand ^^. I would like to go and check the place out with my wife but we both absolutely despise crowds.

 

[ThomasT]

Security said the dog alerted on me...

So dogs are trained to smell Hoppe's #9??? Or any other gun lube? Thats wild. If I ever go back to Disney World I will get some of the deer scent pads and soak them in Hoppe's and walk all over the place with them on the bottoms of my shoes and drive the dogs nuts.

 

[JERRYS.]

So dogs are trained to smell Hoppe's #9??? Or any other gun lube? Thats wild. If I ever go back to Disney World I will get some of the deer scent pads and soak them in Hoppe's and walk all over the place with them on the bottoms of my shoes and drive the dogs nuts.

trained to detect explosive material... such as gun powder.

 

[rickyrick]

So they can use dogs and security to detect guns at a commercial venue, but the same can’t be done at schools... sounds about par for the course.

If someone asks me to leave their property, I’ll cheerfully oblige. I understand, licensed concealed carriers are running around creating mayhem everywhere I look.

 

[JERRYS.]

So they can use dogs and security to detect guns at a commercial venue, but the same can’t be done at schools... sounds about par for the course.

If someone asks me to leave their property, I’ll cheerfully oblige. I understand, licensed concealed carriers are running around creating mayhem everywhere I look.

who told you that?

 

[rickyrick]

Many schools don’t. Many don’t want to be ran like a prison.

I realize that there is sporadic security at schools... but not total security. Some communities don’t want a security force at schools.

I see plenty of tragedies in which the gun wasn’t detected.

Anyway, the shootings keep happening, but not so much at venues that make money.

 

[FITASC]

Florida law does not recognize "Off Limits" signs or "No Weapons Allowed" signs for CCL holders.

BUT, anti-gun Disney lobbied HARD to get amusement parks put on the no-gun-zone list with hospitals, stadiums, etc. Their lame excuse was because they set of fireworks.

Have lived near both West and East Coast Disneys, have 2 grandkids and I will NEVER set foot into a crowded place that wants almost $125/day per person to stand in hour-long lines for 2 minute rides

 

[44 AMP]

trained to detect explosive material... such as gun powder.

Today's gunpowder (smokeless powder) is NOT an explosive. Black powder however is. Dogs trained to find explosives alert on smokeless powder because both contain nitrates, as does gunpowder residue.

Dog doesn't know the difference and neither does the handler, until he investigates.

I had a bombsniffer dog alert on my van once. In the company parking lot. I gave them permission, there was nothing in the van that shouldn't have been, but I had been leaning against the back corner shooting several guns less than 24hrs previously.

in chatting with the handler, I found out that they used a can of IMR rifle powder as one of the things training the dogs.

Their place, their rules. I don't go there. One thing though, if you are, or were going to be someone who goes there, and now won't be, because you learned their policy about legal personal weapons, be SURE to LET THEM KNOW why you won't be spending your money at their place.

Just not going doesn't send any message. Telling them why (via letter, email etc) does. They won't change if they don't know how much they are losing, or even that they are losing business. Boycotts will not and can not work if the people being boycotted don't know they are being boycotted.

 

[ThomasT]

trained to detect explosive material... such as gun powder.

What I said was a "tongue in cheek" joke. I would be really impressed if a dog could smell gunpowder in a sealed round of ammo. But who knows.

But I can smell the solvent smell of smokeless powder when I open one of my powder storage areas even with tightly sealed cans of powder. BP just smells like dirt. But you can smell it in the 50cal ammo cans I store it in when you open the lid.

And I bet dogs are trained to smell oils and gun cleaners.

Actually I have a butter tub of 8mm Mauser ammo in my cabinet and when you take the lid off you can smell the 4350 powder they are loaded with. Hmmm?

 

[MoArk Willy]

Privately owned property can have any rules they want.
Your right to CCW does not overrule any personal property rights.
Putting up a sign would have been courteous. But since less than 10% of Florida's population are registered as CCW holders they probably thought it wasn't necessary.
But now you know.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

What I said was a "tongue in cheek" joke. I would be really impressed if a dog could smell gunpowder in a sealed round of ammo. But who knows.

They can, assuming that is why they are trained for. Cartridges are not vacuum sealed airtight containers that have been meticulously cleaned of all residues, such as the microscopic dusting they are apt to receive when being loaded with powder.

Dogs are trained to find firearms and even to find ammunition. What it is that they are trained to smell in order to find these things, I don't know, however.
https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...-Gun-Dogs-The-rise-of-firearms-sniffing-K-9s/

However, this source says they are trained to smell the powder...
https://wagwalking.com/sense/can-dogs-smell-firearms

https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/07/14/k9s-gun-violence/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5duZwXynu90

 

[44 AMP]

Somebody once told me that you and I smell a Big Mac, but a dog smells twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbun !

and some dogs can smell the guy who wrapped it and the girl who handed you the bag.... or so they say.

 

[FITASC]

But since less than 10% of Florida's population are registered as CCW holders they probably thought it wasn't necessary.
But now you know.

That's still over 2,000,000 concealed permitees.

 

[FITASC]

Somebody once told me that you and I smell a Big Mac, but a dog smells twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbun !

and some dogs can smell the guy who wrapped it and the girl who handed you the bag.... or so they say.

And some dogs have been trained to sniff out cancer; if they can do that, sniffing out gun powder/explosives is easy...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

But since less than 10% of Florida's population are registered as CCW holders they probably thought it wasn't necessary.
But now you know.

That's still over 2,000,000 concealed permitees.

Right, they don't care how many people do or do not have permits, in Florida or from all the other states in the US where people have permits permits that Florida recognizes. They aren't posting a bunch of signs because it would detract from the image they are trying to convey. Their security remains largely hidden because it detracts from the image they are trying to convey.

 

[osbornk]

I did some searching regarding guns at other theme parks and businesses related to them. All of them I found anywhere "near" me(Busch Gardens, Kings Dominion, Dollywood) do not allow guns in their parks or in a business connected with them (restaurants, campgrounds, etc). Many, if not most, search items carried and/or use metal detectors. Rather than specifically ban gun, they ban weapons which covers guns, knives and anything else they consider a weapon.