Brett Bellmore
New member
Wahoo! Just got the news, state Supreme court ruled 4-3 in our favor, official announcement scheduled for 3:30. Excuse me, I gotta go shopping for a concealable gun; I suspect my .45 revolver would "print". 
CCW is GO in Michigan!!!!
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Michigan Supreme Court Rules Right Way On CCW!
Nothing on the wires yet, but a post a Free Republic states that the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in our favor!
The legislature passed shall-issue CHL's this spring. They attached an appropriation (money) to it for the sheriffs and police departments to pay for the extra work required to process the permits.
The hoplophobes submitted petitions against the law that would have thrown it to a referendum EXCEPT the Michigan state constitution prohibits referenda on budget items.
A lower court ruled that the referendum could go forward and enacting the law would be delayed until after the referendum was voted on (probably November, 2002).
The Supreme Court overturned that ruling. So, the shall-issue CHL law goes into effect July 1
Nothing on the wires yet, but a post a Free Republic states that the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in our favor!
The legislature passed shall-issue CHL's this spring. They attached an appropriation (money) to it for the sheriffs and police departments to pay for the extra work required to process the permits.
The hoplophobes submitted petitions against the law that would have thrown it to a referendum EXCEPT the Michigan state constitution prohibits referenda on budget items.
A lower court ruled that the referendum could go forward and enacting the law would be delayed until after the referendum was voted on (probably November, 2002).
The Supreme Court overturned that ruling. So, the shall-issue CHL law goes into effect July 1
HO-YAH! GO MICHIGAN!
The major newspapers will now start their whining and ramp up their apocalyptic predictions. Get ready for some creative journalism by these bozos.
Gotta get a beer and tip it in Michigan's direction as a salute to all the hard work done there - and to MCRGO. Banzai!!
The major newspapers will now start their whining and ramp up their apocalyptic predictions. Get ready for some creative journalism by these bozos.
Gotta get a beer and tip it in Michigan's direction as a salute to all the hard work done there - and to MCRGO. Banzai!!
Indy Steve
New member
Please help me understand.
I mean no disrespect in any way and am glad that more in Michigan are carrying.
But why do we celebrate what apopears to me to be further destruction of the Second Amendment? Aren't the concealed carry laws simply legislation that makes us ask permission exercise a Right that " ... shall not be infringed"?
Why do we not fight so hard to get focus back on the Second Amendment as it was intended and not as "they" interpret it?
How is this good? Do we think that if the entire country has concealed carry laws that's a good thing? Seems like we are getting further away from what was originally intended. Are we going along to get along? "Oh please allow me a way to almost exercise my rights."
Where does the Second Amendment come in here anyway?
I really don't mean to start a fire or flame war here I just want some clarification so I can see the light.
I mean no disrespect in any way and am glad that more in Michigan are carrying.
But why do we celebrate what apopears to me to be further destruction of the Second Amendment? Aren't the concealed carry laws simply legislation that makes us ask permission exercise a Right that " ... shall not be infringed"?
Why do we not fight so hard to get focus back on the Second Amendment as it was intended and not as "they" interpret it?
How is this good? Do we think that if the entire country has concealed carry laws that's a good thing? Seems like we are getting further away from what was originally intended. Are we going along to get along? "Oh please allow me a way to almost exercise my rights."
Where does the Second Amendment come in here anyway?
I really don't mean to start a fire or flame war here I just want some clarification so I can see the light.
We celebrate because no matter what anyone tells you, this is NOt a step toward the destruction of the 2nd Amendment. If you live in a state that denies CCW entirely, you're way past the question of whether you should have to get a permit. I live in Illinois, where you can't get a CCW permit for any reason, and I can tell you I'd jump at a discretionary system tomorrow if it were offered. I wouldn't like it, but it beats being an unarmed target all the time.
If you live in a state like Michigan, which selectively allows permits only to those the local sherriff likes or approves, then again, you're way past CCW permits on the infringement scale. Think of it as a continuum with absolute CCW freedom (Vermont-style) on one end and absolutely nothing (Illinois-style) on the other. This is a move from the Illinois end toward the Vermont end, so it is positive. It doesn't go all the way to Vermont, but the antis didn't get their laws in one year and we can't roll them back in one year.
If you live in a state like Michigan, which selectively allows permits only to those the local sherriff likes or approves, then again, you're way past CCW permits on the infringement scale. Think of it as a continuum with absolute CCW freedom (Vermont-style) on one end and absolutely nothing (Illinois-style) on the other. This is a move from the Illinois end toward the Vermont end, so it is positive. It doesn't go all the way to Vermont, but the antis didn't get their laws in one year and we can't roll them back in one year.
Bartholomew Roberts
Moderator
Congratulations to Michigan-area TFLers! We were rooting for ya down here in Texas.
Dan from MI
New member
YES!!!!!!!
Indy Steve, we didn't lose our freedom overnight and we sure won't win it back overnight.
Think of it as Fabian tactics. Slice at a time. No issue, to my issue, to shall issue, to none of the government's business.
Now if we can get the duck hunters at NRA refocused on civil rights we can move for the abolition of "permits" and "licenses" altogether.
Think of it as Fabian tactics. Slice at a time. No issue, to my issue, to shall issue, to none of the government's business.
Now if we can get the duck hunters at NRA refocused on civil rights we can move for the abolition of "permits" and "licenses" altogether.
Brett Bellmore
New member
Dave, I think Michigan brings it to 34, if you count Vermont. Yeah, about what we'd need to pass a constitutional amendment... If there weren't the little matter of getting the Democrat controlled Senate to originate one worth passing!
Jason Demond
New member
I sure hope that makes it untouchable.