Jim Watson
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Wow, 1908 forensics. They were thorough even without mod cons.
Butch Cassidy's "Modified Winchester"??
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FresnoVince
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There's no need to be sarcastic, sir. I'll assume you know about guns and won't mock your comments about THEM. This just happens to be MY particular field of study
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Jim Watson
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I wasn't being sarcastic, I was surprised that they could (or would bother to) evaluate the scene so thoroughly.
FresnoVince
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Though they may have lied through their teeth about whether the shootout happened exactly as they claimed--assuming it did, they did give enough info to know that the first thing Butch did was grab a pistol (not a rifle) and start shooting, killing a sergeant. And they did hold an inquest, noting the bullet wounds, the record of which we have. So from one perspective, they didn't do too bad a job for the time and place
FresnoVince
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You make a good point, though Etta Place supposedly had excellent teeth, however she managed it.
Jim Watson
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Old pictures, Etta was right attractive. Most women of the day look pretty rough.
There were a lot of attractive women in the old west. At least in their younger days.
FresnoVince
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Etta as in life
Here is a quick view at what she really looked like. I had her photo colorized and for the first time gave people an idea of how she really looked. In the process, I also discovered they were apparently really married as working on the photo brought out that she wears both a wedding and engagement ring. (Traditionally, it was thought they just lived together and the B&W images just looked like a single ring until I started with sepia, which changed the contrast and revealed two rings clearly.) It also revealed she had a ribbon on the top of her hair, and that--in an example of sentimentality--she incorrectly wears a gold necklace atop a scarf, which a woman would not normally do in the way she does. Clearly, the necklace had sentimental value and she wanted to show it off so she draped it over the scarf.
Unfortunately, she does not wear the bracelet I have that I believe was hers, but I believe she got that in 1904 during the World's Fair she attended
Here is a quick view at what she really looked like. I had her photo colorized and for the first time gave people an idea of how she really looked. In the process, I also discovered they were apparently really married as working on the photo brought out that she wears both a wedding and engagement ring. (Traditionally, it was thought they just lived together and the B&W images just looked like a single ring until I started with sepia, which changed the contrast and revealed two rings clearly.) It also revealed she had a ribbon on the top of her hair, and that--in an example of sentimentality--she incorrectly wears a gold necklace atop a scarf, which a woman would not normally do in the way she does. Clearly, the necklace had sentimental value and she wanted to show it off so she draped it over the scarf.
Unfortunately, she does not wear the bracelet I have that I believe was hers, but I believe she got that in 1904 during the World's Fair she attended
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FresnoVince
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That's true and they look a lot alike in THAT photo (not others) but Ann claimed she knew EP, not that she WAS EP, and the way she made up stories for attention, if the thought ever crossed her mind to equate herself w/EP, she would have shouted it from the housetops.
We also know her timeline, and she was known to be in Colorado at a time EP was known to be in Argentina so they cannot have been the same person. But I see how someone could compare the two photos
We also know her timeline, and she was known to be in Colorado at a time EP was known to be in Argentina so they cannot have been the same person. But I see how someone could compare the two photos
Been awhile but I came across this and remembered this thread. A modified Whitney Kennedy said to have been found where they were killed along with some letters to Butch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnDzeLOlsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnDzeLOlsE