TheNatureBoy
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What ammo is now considered to be the equivalent of, or comes close to the Black Talon?
Black Talon Equivalent
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Don't get caught up in all the hype about the Black Talon round. There are lots of other SD rounds out there that will perform/out perform this round. They were dubbed "Man Killers" and "Truck Stoppers" I think it was box of truth did a comparison and the Talon turned out to be just another SD round, nothing special about it.
A guy in NYC shot a bunch of people on the subway and he had black talons in his gun. They pulled it because of political pressure. "Killer" bullet and such. Like all bullets don't have the potential to be deadly. It had a lubricant to reduce friction in the barrel and it was said that is was a cop killer bullet and a bunch of other media lies led to the downfall. Like it exploded and was very hard to treat wounds etc you get the point. That's off the top of my head.
I think DPX is as close as we will come to a magic bullet. Not affected by barriers 16 gauge steel or 4 layers of denim, no core jacket separation, and 100% weight retention. Of course you have to do your part put rounds center mass but it seems pretty promising to me. Some will say it's unproven but I know of at least one shooting by a leo .40 2 or 3rds center mass dead on the spot.
Ammunitiontogo has Black talons for $40 a box. I bought some just as a collecters item.
Ammunitiontogo has Black talons for $40 a box. I bought some just as a collecters item.
DPX isn't good because of anything to do with the case or propellant, it's the Barnes copper X-bullet on it that's got the impressive performance. Both Cor-Bon and Taurus made the same round with the Barnes on it, (DPX and Taurus Hex, respectively), and both have impressive performance. If you wanna reload, get some of those Barnes bullets and you'll get similarly impressive results. Nice design, those!
I carry 185gr Taurus Hex in my PT745.
I carry 185gr Taurus Hex in my PT745.
I wouldn't be sure it's the exact same bullet. Corbon worked extensively to get a bullet to fulfill their requirements. I don't know what Taurus did much less what their requirements were. Not to mention it's been discontinued.
Corbon has been amking ammunition a long time. Taurus hasn't and was sub contacting to PMC. Before PMC went out of business and their machinery sent to Corbon. So who knows how much work Taurus put into getting it right much less QC.
Not a sermon just a thought. DPX is what's in my 90Two.
Corbon has been amking ammunition a long time. Taurus hasn't and was sub contacting to PMC. Before PMC went out of business and their machinery sent to Corbon. So who knows how much work Taurus put into getting it right much less QC.
Not a sermon just a thought. DPX is what's in my 90Two.
But it's the exact same bullet. PMC was doing the cases and loading for Taurus, using Barnes bullets. The Taurus Hex round uses the Barnes X-bullet, it says so on the box, even. The DPX uses the Barnes X-bullet. As you even said, Taurus did not make the rounds, they just put their name on them. PMC made them.
And I've seen crooked Cor-Bons, so their QC isn't flawless, either.
And I've seen crooked Cor-Bons, so their QC isn't flawless, either.
A THR member has several Hydrashock and XTP examples here:
http://brassfetcher.com/45ACP.html
http://brassfetcher.com/.357 Magnum.html
http://brassfetcher.com/45ACP.html
http://brassfetcher.com/.357 Magnum.html
DWARREN123
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Isn't SXT the same thing just different name? S (same) X (eXact) T (thing)
J.T.Hartsfield
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As I recall both hydrashoks and goldensabers are both designed with "black talon" type engineering properties.
Silentarmy
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The new Black Talon! My Gold Dot HP loads with Dry Moly lube sprayed onto them before seating! Use Nickle cases for the "full effect". Here is a pic. I loaded these things about 11 yrs ago when the Black Talon became scarce! I don't carry hand loads for SD these days but I used to carry these. (too much liability)
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choochboost
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They aren't the same bullet. Same concept but not the same design. They've been improved 3 or 4 times since the original BT, the latest enhancement being this year.dwatts47 said:
Hydra-Shots work a bit differently and are seriously old technology. The difference iin the expanded bullet is pronounced, HSs form a mushroom and the Talon forms a spinning star shaped buzz saw. The Talon's "buzz saw" isn't necessarily better or more effective but they do open up more reliably, especially when fired through heavy clothing.J.T.Hartsfield said:
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