Biden bans russian ammo

[Pistoler0]

August 20, 2021, Biden just signed executive order banning russian ammo, for the poisoning of Nalvany!!! WE are getting punished.

Just bought a case of 7.62x39 Tula before prices go thru the roof.

New sanctions imposed today under the CBW Act include:

1) Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.

2) Additional Department of Commerce export restrictions on nuclear and missile-related goods and technology pursuant to the Export Control Reform Act of 2018.



https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/

 

[WyMark]

O M G

https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY

 

[Pistoler0]

Yea, laugh it up, but it is totally about gun control.

Biden lifts sanctions on the Russian oil pipeline, but imposes sanctions on ammo. That makes sense uh?, I wonder where the Russian government makes more money?

In the US, from 40% to 45% of the ammo sold is made in Russia. Its not only 7.62x39 and the Russian brands (Wolf, Tula, Barnaul, Monarch, Golden Tiger), they also rebrand for other manufacturers. In addition, steel cased ammo keeps the price of brass ammo in check.

Get ready for ammo prices to skyrocket

 

[44 AMP]

Once again, it seems that govt's solution is to punish people who had nothing to do with the problem.....

 

[JohnKSa]

Clinton banned most Chinese ammo imports (as well as most Chinese small arms imports) over Tianenmen Square. Those bans are still in effect.

Obama banned some Russian ammo imports (and some Russian small arms imports) over the Russian actions in the Ukraine. Those bans are still in effect.

Biden has now banned any remaining Russian ammo/small arms imports that were still allowed under the Obama action.

These actions do have an effect on supply and therefore on prices. It's hard to know what the long term effect will be since imports from other countries could replace the lost supply and U.S. ammunition manufacturers will likely increase production capabilities if they perceive a permanent change in demand.

It's interesting to note, however, that the U.S. no longer has the capability to turn lead ore into lead metal. EPA restrictions made it infeasible to maintain smelting operations in the U.S. and the last smelter operating in the U.S. closed down in 2013.

Assuming that the same amount of ammo is purchased and used in the U.S., then any of that new supply that isn't from imports will be met by U.S. ammo makers. That would mean an increase in lead use/demand in the U.S. and since we don't have our own lead production, that means imports of lead would increase.

I guess what I'm saying is that however the lost supply is replaced, it's going to require imports--either to replace the manufactured ammo, or to bring in more lead for use in U.S. ammo production.

 

[44 AMP]

On the matter of lead supply, I don't think there's any point to panic, just yet.

The closure of the last lead smelter in the US did diminish our raw capacity, but it didn't affect the lead market that much.

Before COVID turned the world upside down, we weren't buying or using very much NEWLY refined US lead.

Imported lead was cheaper, and the rest of the supply is from recycled lead, which we have a LOT of...

 

[Geezerbiker]

Compared to what we were afraid chairman biden would do, if this is the worst of it, we should consider ourselves lucky...

Tony

 

[Joe-ker]

According to Wikipedia, Tula quit manufacturing for Wolf in 2009, they now source from Europe. Maybe there will still be some players in this game but availability is gonna be tight nonetheless.

 

[JohnKSa]

On the matter of lead supply, I don't think there's any point to panic, just yet.

Just for the record, I have never made any post on any forum with the intent of causing panic and this post was no different.

The point is that no matter how the reduction in ammunition supply is replaced, it will require importation. Either the ammunition itself will be imported from the countries which are still allowed to export ammo to the U.S. or the lead to make the bullets will have to be imported since the U.S. no longer can smelt lead from ore.

It's just an observation on the fact that the U.S. no longer has the ability to put conventional ammunition (ammo with lead or lead-containing bullets) on the market without imports.

 

[FrankenMauser]

Already approved import permits can still fulfill the allowances on the permit, as long as it is done before the expiration date. (The longest of which ends in 2023, I believe.)

Tens of millions of rounds of Russian ammo will still be coming into the country, all while other countries get set up to take over production for the US market.

If you panic, you'll just be wasting your money. Or spending money now that could be better invested elsewhere.

 

[Pistoler0]

Already approved import permits can still fulfill the allowances on the permit, as long as it is done before the expiration date. (The longest of which ends in 2023, I believe.)

Tens of millions of rounds of Russian ammo will still be coming into the country, all while other countries get set up to take over production for the US market.

If you panic, you'll just be wasting your money. Or spending money now that could be better invested elsewhere.

You make me feel better.
Really, I mean it. I hope your words are true.

Because my wife is going to divorce me if I keep buying cases of ammo.

 

[Tom Servo]

Already approved import permits can still fulfill the allowances on the permit, as long as it is done before the expiration date.

Actually, every batch has to have its own permit. The permits take 4-6 weeks to receive approval. The ban goes into effect in 3 weeks.

As per the memo:

New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.

The permanent part is a bit confusing. Permanent importation means the product will stay here once shipped. This is to distinguish it from things being imported temporarily, as happens with tourism and such.

 

[44 AMP]

For the record I did not mean to imply that anyone was promoting panic.

TO me, "not time to panic yet" is just a phrase indicating its not time to panic, yet, and nothing more. Apologies if I was unclear.

It's just an observation on the fact that the U.S. no longer has the ability to put conventional ammunition (ammo with lead or lead-containing bullets) on the market without imports.

I understand your point, and agree, we do not have the ability to dig lead ore from the ground and turn it into ammunition. However, I must point out that there is another source for lead that is not an import, and that is recycled lead.

Industry will, of course, by preference, use what is cheaper, and that will most likely be imported lead. Just pointing out that there is another source that isn't an import.

IF the Govt should pass a law stating imported lead could no longer be used for bullets, other than price, nothing would really change, ammo makers would buy the recycled lead that they had to, and imported lead would go to other industries not restricted from using it.

 

[shurshot]

"WE are getting punished."(OP).

Are we? Ammo from other nations isn't banned, just selling like hotcakes. The intent, the way I read it, was to hit the Russian's in the pocket book, deny them profit. I would prefer to buy American made ammo anyhow.

 

[Carl the Floor Walker]

"WE are getting punished."(OP).

Are we? Ammo from other nations isn't banned, just selling like hotcakes. The intent, the way I read it, was to hit the Russian's in the pocket book, deny them profit. I would prefer to buy American made ammo anyhow.

To hit Russians in the Pocket? By banning ammo? Come on Man, there are many more ways to hit Russia in the Pocket. And why ammo if that is the case. Russia exports more than just ammo.
And regardless of if you use Russian Ammo, many of us do. Sorry, I enjoy a tremendous saving using Wolf and Tula.

Bottom line. Things right now are FUBAR!

 

[JohnKSa]

I understand your point, and agree, we do not have the ability to dig lead ore from the ground and turn it into ammunition. However, I must point out that there is another source for lead that is not an import, and that is recycled lead.

Correct. But unless we currently have a glut of recycled/recyclable lead that can be put into ammo production, lead will have to be imported.

Given that demand for lead in the U.S. was already rising, it seems unlikely that there are piles of it sitting around waiting to be recycled.

 

[Pistoler0]

"WE are getting punished."(OP).

Are we? Ammo from other nations isn't banned, just selling like hotcakes. The intent, the way I read it, was to hit the Russian's in the pocket book, deny them profit. I would prefer to buy American made ammo anyhow.

I don't think that was the intent, because he lifted sanctions on the Russian gas pipeline.

 

[shurshot]

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-un...-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/

It appears to be the intent, a targeted hit in the pocket book.
This is why sanctions are imposed... financial punishment.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-...rt/the-impact-of-western-sanctions-on-russia/

 

[Carl the Floor Walker]

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-un...-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/

It appears to be the intent, a targeted hit in the pocket book.
This is why sanctions are imposed... financial punishment.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-...rt/the-impact-of-western-sanctions-on-russia/

Sanctions! Lol, Yes we could talk about sanctions and lifted sanctions etc.
I would love to comment on your post. But that would be getting very political, which due to the rules I will back off now. . But I will just say again. Right now everything seems to be heading right into being FUBAR!
Quite frankly, I am worried and concerned now about much more than ammo.

 

[Aspect]

I don't think Wolf is going anywhere. I found this blurb on Wikipedia

"Since 2009 The Tula Cartridge Plant and Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant (owned by Tula Cartridge Works since 2005) no longer manufacture cartridges for Wolf due to legal disputes.[2] Wolf now uses new European suppliers."